What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[HuntHarder]

So as late as Early February, the Chief of WHO also told countries not to close borders to Foreigners from China.

 

[durangobrad]

So as late as Early February, the Chief of WHO also told countries not to close borders to Foreigners from China.

Hindsight is 20/20.

When they issued that they were still basing it off the evidence they were getting from China. Low case numbers and bad information about infection rates, spreading, etc. It's hard to make global decisions based off shit info from China.

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[Ten Bears]

I thought this was an interesting piece of data from my local paper. We are one of the most "hard hit" yet deaths are down 2600 for the month. I can see this trend repeating elsewhere. The same paper ran an article two days ago saying we were running out of body bags.

In Michigan, deaths were down in March, but 'it doesn't feel that way'

Preliminary statistics from the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services record 5,929 deaths in March 2020

www.detroitnews.com

 

[Bubblehide]

I found this site interesting: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
A few here might enjoy exploring it. But, be advised, this site is designed for professional use for those with an expected level of knowledge. So for some, it may not be useful or have limited use. I have no idea if this has been posted here previously.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

This was their tweet:
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China.

Obviously it was bad info, bit it was the only info we had at the time.

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It was an out right lie. Not misinformation. China knew long before December 29th they had a real problem but hid it. By the time they contacted the WHO, it was well known by China it would transfer from human to human. If not the truth, why would they even contact the WHO?

 

[SgtTanner]

Isn't it the responsibility of the WHO to vet their information they are spreading? After all, the WORLD is literally taking guidance from them.

I would think so, but it seems critical thinking is as unpopular with WHO as it is with some in this thread.

 

[Johnboy]

Watching CNBC the night of the election was great! The live meltdown was epic!

I still enjoy watching montages of media meltdowns from that night. If you've never heard of The Young Turks on youtube, just do a search for "TYT Election Meltdown". It's high comedy. I'd love to see that history repeated this November.

 

[ODB]

And science is usually funded by someone or some organization. I wonder if they have biases.

All scientific results have to be interpreted and translated to make meaning. In that process lies bias - always and forever. Some benign, some malignant, but it’s always there.

 

[ODB]

It was an out right lie. Not misinformation. China knew long before December 29th they had a real problem but hid it. By the time they contacted the WHO, it was well known by China it would transfer from human to human. If not the truth, why would they even contact the WHO?

Correct. Taiwan (you know, the country WHO does not recognize) knew it was human-human transmissible but WHO is very influenced by China - so, they spout their drivel...

 

[S.Clancy]

All scientific results have to be interpreted and translated to make meaning. In that process lies bias - always and forever. Some benign, some malignant, but it’s always there.

Maybe if you only read the abstract or conclusion. The data doesn't lie, the "interpretation" can. That's why they do meta-analyses.

 

[ODB]

Maybe if you only read the abstract or conclusion. The data doesn't lie, the "interpretation" can. That's why they do meta-analyses.

Are you aware of reports made public that only use the meta-analysis with no abstract or conclusion? I’m not. The very fact that data is “dumb” is exactly how it can be manipulated - it still has to be interpreted to make meaning. After all, what’s the point of gathering data if we aren’t looking for meaning from it?

 

[S.Clancy]

Are you aware of reports made public that only use the meta-analysis with no abstract or conclusion? I’m not. The very fact that data is “dumb” is exactly how it can be manipulated - it still has to be interpreted to make meaning. After all, what’s the point of gathering data if we aren’t looking for meaning from it?

I'm saying someone with some knowledge of mathmatics can investigate the conclusions of research based on the data. Obviously the point is to conclude based on data, but remember that researchers are not mathematicians and may be interpreting poorly or using inappropriate models.

 

[Okhotnik]

Hindsight is 20/20.

When they issued that they were still basing it off the evidence they were getting from China. Low case numbers and bad information about infection rates, spreading, etc. It's hard to make global decisions based off shit info from China.

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China has a very long history of theft, manipulation, lying, cover ups, fraud and horrible human rights abuses and they run The WHO it seems. WHO is about as worthless as the UN

 

[durangobrad]

China has a very long history of theft, manipulation, lying, cover ups, fraud and horrible human rights abuses and they run The WHO it seems. WHO is about as worthless as the UN

This position probably would have been useful.

Trump says China "should have told us" about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.

A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.

www.google.com

Along with the pandemic response team that was disassembled in 2018.

Redirect Notice

And the briefing from from the oboma admin to incoming admin

Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’

In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.

www.politico.com

We knew this was possible but have been dismissing it for all to long.

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[Topo_trekker]

Facts about Covid

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19.

swprs.org

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[Okhotnik]

This position probably would have been useful.

Trump says China "should have told us" about coronavirus. He removed the official meant to do that.

A US epidemiologist was embedded with the Chinese CDC. The Trump administration discontinued the position.

www.google.com

Along with the pandemic response team that was disassembled in 2018.

Redirect Notice

And the briefing from from the oboma admin to incoming admin

Before Trump’s inauguration, a warning: ‘The worst influenza pandemic since 1918’

In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.

www.politico.com

We knew this was possible but have been dismissing it for all to long.

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another orange man bad syndrome . Care to share a link from a non fake news source?

 

[durangobrad]

another orange man bad syndrome . Care to share a link from a non fake news source?

Try to disprove any of those....I'll be waiting.



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[SgtTanner]

Try to disprove any of those....I'll be waiting.



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So who is more to blame, Trump, or China?

Not that it actually matters. If you already hate trump, you never planned to vote for him. I’d you love trump, you will have praise his COVID response and vote for him. But I guess some people just can’t help themselves and absolutely must assign blame and politicize things.

 

[durangobrad]

So who is more to blame, Trump, or China?

Not that it actually matters. If you already hate trump, you never planned to vote for him. I’d you love trump, you will have praise his COVID response and vote for him. But I guess some people just can’t help themselves and absolutely must assign blame and politicize things.

China is to blame for the disease itself.

I wasn't trying to make it political just show my opinion on why our response has been poor. And asked that if you could disprove any of it, I'd listen. But your response turned political.

But we can't blame our terrible level of preparedness, slow response, lack of testing and ppe, and 2 hours daily press briefings of BS on China.

I voted for Trump, wanted to like him. But am smarter than that and I will hold him accountable when need be.

Trump's measure of success is in three things. Building a wall, military spending and Dow Jones industrial average.

He went out his way saving money in places like pandemic response and infections disease prevention, so he could spend more on those things.

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[SgtTanner]

China is to blame for the disease itself.

I wasn't trying to make it political just show my opinion on why our response has been poor. And asked that if you could disprove any of it, I'd listen. But your response turned political.

But we can't blame our terrible level of preparedness, slow response, lack of testing and ppe, and 2 hours daily press briefings of BS on China.

I voted for Trump, wanted to like him. But am smarter than that and I will hold him accountable when need be.

Trump's measure of success is in three things. Building a wall, military spending and Dow Jones industrial average.

He went out his way saving money in places like pandemic response and infections disease prevention, so he could spend more on those things.

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Please accept my apologies if it seemed like I was trying to make things political. This crisis becoming political is my main complaint with all of this, and the blame game that you (and many others - here and elsewhere) seem to be playing makes it feel like the crisis is political. Now is a time we need a leader, and about 330 million followers. That’s how you get out of a crisis. We can criticize later, like at the polls. Politics aren’t as important as getting thru this together.

I didn’t vote for Trump (nor Clinton), and I likely won’t vote for him this fall either, but I hope he can be the leader we need. I love our country way more than I care who the president is.

I don’t disagree with any of what you said. Hope were cool.