What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

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Rich M

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I'm sorry but you are believing the lie being told by an unprepared health system. N95 masks dont work for you so dont buy them so they'll work for us.

The leadership and health people should go to hell for starting that damaging misinformation. They are telling us to increase the risk to ourselves because they screwed up.

Or is it just that folks are panicking cause we don't have good information? The media has been bent on just printing crap written by ill-informed "journalists" who are definitely not experts in their fields.

Primary thing we can do is wash our hands and not breath other folk's breath.

Viruses are smaller than the N95 masks can filter. Think of it this way - the mask might give folks some kind of invincible attitude where they'd expose themselves thinking they would be prevented from getting sick.

Most folks don't have respirator training where they would learn all about the pathways for toxins and viruses to get around the flimsy little mask that doesn't seal tight to your face anyway. Ever use a dust mask to do concrete, drywall or other dusty work and end up with those white stripes down the sides of your nose? That's the mask failing. They aren't made to be tight sealing, but more of a rough filter that may or may not work depending on the fit.

Yes, I'm trained in respirators. I won't wear the N-95 mask to put attic insulation in my house - using a half-faced, sealing respirator instead to keep that crap out of my lungs. The N-95 masks are used by me and my team when we walk into musty buildings or in areas with heavy windblown dust - nothing more.

They aren't gonna save us, good hygiene practices and common sense will do a lot better. They can however keep coughing "juices" "droplets" and such from affecting more air and surfaces that will in turn help more innocent folks from not getting exposed. I do supposed they can help folks from inhaling some guys cough juices - but what are they doing near a cougher in the first place?

The folks who should be addressed are the ones who know they are infected yet still go to work, school, gatherings, and such. They should be liable for whatever happens to folks they knowingly expose.
 
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Can you imagine where we'd be right now if the media hadn't covered this virus at all? There would be people that are sick with a fever and some would stay home, and some would still go to work.....just like they do with the flu. Millions would have it and nobody would know the difference.....whether it was the flu, kung flu, or some other virus........and most wouldn't care what it's called. They'd stay home when it's bad enough and then go back to living their lives when they feel better. Some will die, and most will live and continue to live their lives in an uninterrupted society even without test kits. Hmmmm.

IMO, the media is worse than a terrorist attack. Cause panic, cause disruption to daily life, and cause entire economies to crumble. They've won.

While I agree that the media is pretty terrible I also place blame on the general populous. Most read a headline and do no further research while others can't get their head out of the news and drive themselves crazy with worry which leads to overreaction. The news is needed but people don't use their goddamn brains.
 

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Why do you consider your parents and grandparents cannon fodder?

Oh quit. I never said that. That fact is older people die at higher rates. It’s not my opinion it is fact. I don't want any one to lose parents or grandparents. But, breaking news they are going to die. More then likely before you want them to or not.
 
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State parks in Louisiana being prepped to house isolation overflow for patients on forced quarantine. On the one hand, I applaud and agree with the action. On the other, I am reminded of a post a few pages back where someone didn’t think the government would infringe on their travel plans.

Stay healthy roksliders and prepare for some whacky shit in the coming weeks and months.
 

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Oh quit. I never said that. That fact is older people die at higher rates. It’s not my opinion it is fact. I don't want any one to lose parents or grandparents. But, breaking news they are going to die. More then likely before you either you want them to or not.
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Or is it just that folks are panicking cause we don't have good information? The media has been bent on just printing crap written by ill-informed "journalists" who are definitely not experts in their fields.

Primary thing we can do is wash our hands and not breath other folk's breath.

Viruses are smaller than the N95 masks can filter. Think of it this way - the mask might give folks some kind of invincible attitude where they'd expose themselves thinking they would be prevented from getting sick.

Most folks don't have respirator training where they would learn all about the pathways for toxins and viruses to get around the flimsy little mask that doesn't seal tight to your face anyway. Ever use a dust mask to do concrete, drywall or other dusty work and end up with those white stripes down the sides of your nose? That's the mask failing. They aren't made to be tight sealing, but more of a rough filter that may or may not work depending on the fit.

Yes, I'm trained in respirators. I won't wear the N-95 mask to put attic insulation in my house - using a half-faced, sealing respirator instead to keep that crap out of my lungs. The N-95 masks are used by me and my team when we walk into musty buildings or in areas with heavy windblown dust - nothing more.

They aren't gonna save us, good hygiene practices and common sense will do a lot better. They can however keep coughing "juices" "droplets" and such from affecting more air and surfaces that will in turn help more innocent folks from not getting exposed. I do supposed they can help folks from inhaling some guys cough juices - but what are they doing near a cougher in the first place?

The folks who should be addressed are the ones who know they are infected yet still go to work, school, gatherings, and such. They should be liable for whatever happens to folks they knowingly expose.

I'm sorry but that's just not true. N95 masks do block viruses. 95% of airborne pathogens.

Here's an article about a nurse's group getting pissed because cdc changed their policy saying even surgical masks were good enough. Definitely because they knew they didn't have enough n95 masks for healthcare people to do their jobs.

 

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While I agree that the media is pretty terrible I also place blame on the general populous. Most read a headline and do no further research while others can't get their head out of the news and drive themselves crazy with worry which leads to overreaction. The news is needed but people don't use their goddamn brains.

i happened to fall into the twitter vortex last night and frankly was disgusted. Celebrities, writers, news personalities absolutely losing their minds in the most vile way. Probably the most pathetic thing is that each actually believes people are lookingto them for some sort of guidance and actually gives a shit what they say. Brian Stelter tweeted “sonnys day care (or was it kindergarten) is closed”. Who the hell is sonny, and why do I care their daycare is closed?

a bunch of self-absorbed narcissists.
 

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This was posted in one of the FB camping groups I follow.
 

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I think it’s the unaverage age deaths that are worrying people.

I hate to say it but people are expecting elderly with health complications to pass or come close to it if we don’t protect them folks .

Yes, they are a big risk - my folks are 78/79 and I have a severely health-compromised aunt in the hospital this very moment. She gets CV, she won’t leave the hospital. By the way, she still has a very wry sense of humour after all she’s been through (15 years dialysis, kidney transplant, thyroid cancer, breast cancer, heart valve replacement, heart valve stitch, sepsis, and now a broken femur and shoulder). She is simply the toughest person I have ever met, period.

But I’m still sad for the 144 kids that have died from flu this year.
 

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I'm sorry but that's just not true. N95 masks do block viruses. 95% of airborne pathogens.

Here's an article about a nurse's group getting pissed because cdc changed their policy saying even surgical masks were good enough. Definitely because they knew they didn't have enough n95 masks for healthcare people to do their jobs.


Good news there - I stand corrected.

I've got a pack here at the office. We're not in an area with a bunch of reported cases, yet. Never trusted them to keep dust out - still not convinced about the viruses either, but that's not what they say.

https://www.livescience.com/face-mask-new-coronavirus.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-coronavirus-guide-what-do-not-do-ncna1154641
 

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It’s still not 100% confirmed whether it is airborne (like TB) or droplet only.
 

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It’s still not 100% confirmed whether it is airborne (like TB) or droplet only.


Person-to-person contact seems to be the main method of transmission of the novel coronavirus.

Transmission typically occurs when:
  1. Someone with the virus sneezes or coughs on you, leaving respiratory droplets on your skin or clothing, or you touch someone who has the virus on their skin or clothing.
  2. You then touch your face, which gives the virus an entry point via your mouth, nose, or eyes.
 

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Person-to-person contact seems to be the main method of transmission of the novel coronavirus.

Transmission typically occurs when:
  1. Someone with the virus sneezes or coughs on you, leaving respiratory droplets on your skin or clothing, or you touch someone who has the virus on their skin or clothing.
  2. You then touch your face, which gives the virus an entry point via your mouth, nose, or eyes.

Yes, which is why dense populations like Hubei, Italy, Korea, Seattle are problematic. I do not think the US will follow Italy at all. I honestly think when we turn this corner. The uS will be seen as having “lucked” out.

cases will absolutely rise, butFor example WA has tested 6001symptomatic (important!) cases with 584 positives.Their 25 deaths at ONE location (read population dense) overinflates the death rate, the same way Italy (dense, and aged population [avg age of death is 81]) overinflates Europe and “outside of China” numbers.

we feel like idiots with all this hysteria, but it will pay off by keeping people apart. When we turn that corner, life is good.

but it’ll be a little but now...
 

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In a year or two, it'll be interesting to look back with all the knowledge we'll have gained.

Some of this internet tough guy stuff will have been tempered by deaths in their family.

Some people will gloat and pretend they knew exactly how this was gonna play out, based on nothing but their "gut feeling ".

Hopefully some of us will be smarter and stronger for it.

But right now, with the limited info we still have, it's tough to look at this and truly know how its gonna play out.

But I'm pretty sure the next 6 months is going to be sobering for all of us. I'm just hopeful that the long term damage to any of us and our families is minimized as much as possible and that maybe, just maybe we can pull together some of these deeply divided populations and be stronger after all this.

(I'm not taking a shot at any one post specifically. This is just more a random thought)
 

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Person-to-person contact seems to be the main method of transmission of the novel coronavirus.

Transmission typically occurs when:
  1. Someone with the virus sneezes or coughs on you, leaving respiratory droplets on your skin or clothing, or you touch someone who has the virus on their skin or clothing.
  2. You then touch your face, which gives the virus an entry point via your mouth, nose, or eyes.

Correct. A mask does you no good unless you plan on wearing it full time or following some strict decontamination protocols.
 

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Great post T.

My mom is one of those high risk folks, we just had an ICU ventillator thing happen and she got a 6 week vacation from home. If she gets it, will be a tough battle.

I was typing up some stuff triggered by O, above.

As long as people stay apart.

I just came from the grocery store - grabbing lunch & dinner (box of chick!). Some shelves are bare (water, pasta, spaghetti sauce got hit hard over here from what I saw), meat section is essentially empty, ladies standing on shelves to reach stuff in the back on higher shelves, looks just like hurricane season but I'm sure it is being replicated all over the country. (The store still had more than enough foods - musta been the sales stuff that was totally bare. My wife is going this afternoon for our weekly shopping, will see what she reports.)

Was waiting and some lady talks to a manager there - when will stuff be in? He said they have no idea, that the warehouses are running out due to the demand being wide-spread across the country. Check back. (Publix) I don;t see this as a sell out of all the food in the country, just symptomatic of what is going on - folks need to have some supplies on hand.

This is ironic as we all know a prepper or two, some of us may be preppers or semi-preppers. This is the thing that will cement the prepping community as a permanent thing. If you have a month or more worth of freeze dried foods (and toilet paper!) at home - If you got a deer or elk last year and the freezer is full - Maybe you have a food safe 5-gallon bucket full of rice and a pantry full of canned goods, not too bad. Some inconveniences but won't starve.

When I was a kid, we used to can fruits and veggies (root cellar kinda stuff), always had food in the house - seemed like the way things are. They say to have an emergency fund with 3-6 months salary in there, why not have a month or so worth of food - Pnut butter, oatmeal, mashed potatoes, rice, spaghetti, canned stew, meat, veggies & stuff, buy a little at a time and it adds up quick and in a few years you'll be either poking the bottom of cans and eating it or tossing it.

Was talking w wife before work this am. If we get quarantined, I'll get some yard work done. Be nice to have a few days to sleep in and then go putter around the yard. If we get sick, then that would be something else.
 

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I just spoke to my wife, at her hospital she is the only ER doc who hasnt dealt directly with a possible CC19 case. That is until this AM. 4 cases in an hour who have been tested, but she's 90% sure theyll be positive. As, all 4 presented exactly the same and are just a little different then any combo of symptoms she had seen before.

5 of the other doctors are in quarantine, one who wasn't in quarantine is showing symptoms, and is now quarantined. My wife has been asked to more then double her normal shifts and to be on call for the remaining days.

The hospitals are not set up for something this infectious. Its wild.

The crazy part is, we are supposed to move at the end of the month. Our apartment was to be listed for sale on Monday. She works 2000km away and flys to work. Looks like I may have to move with the 2 kids, so we can be there with her. Not sure how I'm supposed to break this news to my business partner. Life is gonna get spicy, quick.
 
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I just spoke to my wife, at her hospital she is the only ER doc who hasnt dealt directly with a possible CC19 case. That is until this AM. 4 cases in an hour who have been tested, but she's 90% sure theyll be positive. As, all 4 presented exactly the same and are just a little different then any combo of symptoms she had seen before.

5 of the other doctors are in quarantine, one who wasn't in quarantine is showing symptoms, and is now quarantined. My wife has been asked to more then double her normal shifts and to be on call for the remaining days.

The hospitals are not set up for something this infectious. Its wild.

The crazy part is, we are supposed to move at the end of the month. Our apartment was to be listed for sale on Monday. She works 2000km away and flys to work. Looks like I may have to move with the 2 kids, so we can be there with her. Not sure how I'm supposed to break this news to my business partner. Life is gonna get spicy, quick.
Where is this?
 

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I just spoke to my wife, at her hospital she is the only ER doc who hasnt dealt directly with a possible CC19 case. That is until this AM. 4 cases in an hour who have been tested, but she's 90% sure theyll be positive. As, all 4 presented exactly the same and are just a little different then any combo of symptoms she had seen before.

5 of the other doctors are in quarantine, one who wasn't in quarantine is showing symptoms, and is now quarantined. My wife has been asked to more then double her normal shifts and to be on call for the remaining days.

The hospitals are not set up for something this infectious. Its wild.

The crazy part is, we are supposed to move at the end of the month. Our apartment was to be listed for sale on Monday. She works 2000km away and flys to work. Looks like I may have to move with the 2 kids, so we can be there with her. Not sure how I'm supposed to break this news to my business partner. Life is gonna get spicy, quick.

So what is her hospitals plan when all the physicians are quarantined?
 

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I’m worried more about those other diseases that are spreading......liberalism and socialism. Too bad we don’t lose 3% of them once infected.


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