What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

[Dustin the wind]

I certainly do not care enough about your opinion to dig all the way back through this thread. What you wrote above is very difficult to comprehend in any sensible way.

So... let's try this a different way.

What exactly do you think should be done differently right now. Using all current knowledge, how would you change it?

Using current knowledge to question decisions made without the benefit of such knowledge is intellectually dishonest, which is what I'm alleging you to have done in recent posts.

Actually let’s be honest, it’s an enormous thread and you’re too lazy to go back and look anything up. We literally were talking about how over blown this was 2 months ago and how most of the actions taken were dumber than shit. You’re extremely late to this party.

 

[blueyceman]

I'm lost why you read into that I was insinuating no precautions are needed to best protect me and mine. If you want to wear a mask, do so. If you want to stay home, do so. If you want to visit only out of necessity, do so. I'm doing all when deemed necessary except wear a mask. I'm utterly confused why this gets missed. We are all grown men here and should give our peers the due respect to know what's best for them. Without having to express it in every post and sentence.

As far as the history of this, there is none to say what we are doing is going to be a mistake. None. No one is saying this. I don't know where this ideology comes from. No one is saying anything you implied. I think you are getting the freedom of individuality confused with absolutism.

Historically, we should ascertain what we can learn from past pandemics. In multiple pandemics, the second wave was more fatal: 1918 - 1919 Spanish Flu & and 1889-1891 pandemic. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291398/). Obviously we don't live in 1918 or 1889 anymore so it's not a direct comparison, but why not try to learn about what causes severe second waves? Seems an interesting subject to investigate.

 

[WV Mountaineer]

I certainly do not care enough about your opinion to dig all the way back through this thread. What you wrote above is very difficult to comprehend in any sensible way.

So... let's try this a different way.

What exactly do you think should be done differently right now. Using all current knowledge, how would you change it?

Using current knowledge to question decisions made without the benefit of such knowledge is intellectually dishonest, which is what I'm alleging you to have done in recent posts.

Now you just want the last word. Too proud to do anything but say I’m irrelevant in what I think but, so ignorant you ask for my opinion the next paragraph. What a blow hard wind bag.

 

[Laramie]

In my small corner of the world 80% of people have decided they are going to live normal. It's rare to see a mask. People are gathering in groups. Kids are playing in parks and yards together. Been going that way a couple weeks. Our cases are dropping quickly. Crazy to think that sunshine and fresh air is good. My guess is happy active people don't get sick as easily but what do I know.

I am scheduled for my antibody test next week. Could care less at this point.

 

[BuzzH]

In my small corner of the world 80% of people have decided they are going to live normal. It's rare to see a mask. People are gathering in groups. Kids are playing in parks and yards together. Been going that way a couple weeks. Our cases are dropping quickly. Crazy to think that sunshine and fresh air is good. My guess is happy active people don't get sick as easily but what do I know.

I am scheduled for my antibody test next week. Could care less at this point.

Is it "normal" to cancel a 124 year old event due to covid? Wyoming people aren't going to "live normal" at Cheyenne Frontier days...

Cheyenne Frontier Days canceled for 1st time in 124 years

 

[307]

Now you just want the last word. Too proud to do anything but say I’m irrelevant in what I think but, so ignorant you ask for my opinion the next paragraph. What a blow hard wind bag.

I was not asking for your opinion, but for your position to be clearly stated. You know what they say about opinions... At this point, your posts devolved into a mixture of semi-coherent comments that pretty much illustrate the role of "armchair quarterback".

I'm guessing that you don't have, or won't articulate, specific differences between yourself, and the multitude of public health experts/agencies including your rationale and cited support where available...

It can be helpful to state things clearly, in plain terms and in a single place, rather than a jumbled conversation over many days and 200 pages of forum posts.

The ad hominem is expected.

 

[307]

Historically, we should ascertain what we can learn from past pandemics. In multiple pandemics, the second wave was more fatal: 1918 - 1919 Spanish Flu & and 1889-1891 pandemic. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291398/). Obviously we don't live in 1918 or 1889 anymore so it's not a direct comparison, but why not try to learn about what causes severe second waves? Seems an interesting subject to investigate.

We, as a society, have certainly reached the stage of being "over it". Fear is reduced and frustrations are high. I get it. I feel it too.

I also see it as the perfect setup for a fairly concerning "second wave" and I'm not sure if we will take it seriously enough, or early enough, if that were to happen to avoid catastrophic results. If we were to have a second "stay at home" order/recommendation, I bet compliance would be awful and people would reference the last 6 weeks as "proof".

All the while, the last 6 weeks have been better than feared, mostly DUE to the effectiveness of the stay at home/social distancing order... It's sort of a catch-22.

I'm hoping that we can be responsible in maintaining some social distancing, taking some additional precautions, and being vigilant in managing the hot spots enough to be able to be "mostly normal" until this thing burns out.

I don't hold out a lot of hope for a safe/effective vaccine or revolutionary treatment anytime soon. Modern medicine doesn't have the best track record when it comes to virus management, though there are exceptions.

Ah, time will tell... It's going to be interesting for a while, and fascinating to study this phenomenon in detail, once we're far enough down the road to truly see how it all pans out.

 

[Laramie]

Is it "normal" to cancel a 124 year old event due to covid? Wyoming people aren't going to "live normal" at Cheyenne Frontier days...

Cheyenne Frontier Days canceled for 1st time in 124 years

Not sure how that applies to my comment? I don't live in Wyoming currently and never would have considered Cheyenne my small corner of the world even when I did. Cheyenne has always been more of an extension to the front range than a part of rural Wyoming beliefs imo. A lot of good people there but it's more of a city feel and government influence. My small corner of rural America, however, is living pretty close to normal and many I know in other parts of the country are experiencing the same. Are we paying attention to our activities? Of course. Are we allowing it to control our lives? Not a chance.

 

[BuzzH]

Not sure how that applies to my comment? I don't live in Wyoming currently and never would have considered Cheyenne my small corner of the world even when I did. Cheyenne has always been more of an extension to the front range than a part of rural Wyoming beliefs imo. A lot of good people there but it's more of a city feel and government influence. My small corner of rural America, however, is living pretty close to normal and many I know in other parts of the country are experiencing the same. Are we paying attention to our activities? Of course. Are we allowing it to control our lives? Not a chance.

Cheyenne an extension of the Colorado Front Range? City feel?

News to me.

 

[slatebuilder]

The vast majority of folks around are going ahead with normal in every way that they possibly can, and would do so in even more ways if they could. The district attorney has posted a letter in the newspaper and online saying that there will be no criminal charges filed with regard to covid restrictions. However the civil repercussions that the state is threatening to impose or is imposing are a different story. Permitting, insurance, leases, licenses are the issues organizations are running into. Almost every festival, graduation, carnival, fair, or event that doesn’t fly under the radar so to speak has been canceled. There have been a few that have defied the state and gone ahead with events anyway, how they are dealt with may set the tone for others in the months to come.

 

[KurtR]

Summer sports are starting here pool is open for business and fishing tournament still a go. 75th annual sitting bull stampede is on as scheduled for over the 4th of July. We had a out of town construction worker test positive last week. We are at 6 for the pandemic

 

[trazerr]

34 of our 36 counties are open now. 32 of those have been open for almost 2 weeks (Friday). The other two just for almost a week.

We did see a spike out of one county yesterday (41 cases). It was from one of the two locked down counties. Apparently some business had a large group test positive. They wont tell us the name of the business still. They have only said it wont pose a significant risk to the community.

The rest of the 35 counties had a combined new case count of 30... I guess we find out in 24hrs if Oregon gets blown off the face of the earth or not. Anyone want to take any bets?!?

 

[Laramie]

Cheyenne an extension of the Colorado Front Range? City feel?

News to me.

Cheyenne of Two Minds About Denver-Like Growth (Published 2008)

Business leaders say Denver’s expansion toward Wyoming, which has no income tax, sharpens the allure of Cheyenne as a commuting destination.

www.nytimes.com

There is a pretty big divide between Cheyenne and the rest of the state of Wyoming.

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/wyoming/cheyenne

Divides In politics as well as just general lifestyle exist making it more like the front range. Like I said, many great people live there and it isn't a bad place. But how it's populations views, and local government views, the virus will be very different to the majority of the rest of the state.

 

[BuzzH]

Cheyenne of Two Minds About Denver-Like Growth (Published 2008)

Business leaders say Denver’s expansion toward Wyoming, which has no income tax, sharpens the allure of Cheyenne as a commuting destination.

www.nytimes.com

There is a pretty big divide between Cheyenne and the rest of the state of Wyoming.

https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/wyoming/cheyenne

Divides In politics as well as just general lifestyle exist making it more like the front range. Like I said, many great people live there and it isn't a bad place. But how it's populations views, and local government views, the virus will be very different to the majority of the rest of the state.

Booming, liberal, socialist metropolis Cheyenne is...breaking ground on a stadium for the pro football team next year I heard.

 

[Mike7]

I don't think the true damage that the ongoing lockdown in some states has caused to some people's lives, livelihoods, the economy, and retirement savings will be realized for some time.

This week I have talked to multiple people from WA state who are hoping to return to work during the next 2 weeks, but who may not have a full time job when they return.

The state governors and health districts who close down specified businesses without any options for these Americans to manage these situations on their own have created ripple effects that extend far beyond the specified businesses.

I hope this doesn't come to fruition, but with talking to some of these people in various industries this week, I hadn't considered some of the far reaching ripple effects that are starting to be caused by some of these shutdowns.

 

[Laramie]

The business I work for is about 3 weeks away from being forced to lay of 50% of our employees. Our main problem is extreme supply chain delays. We simply can't get raw materials. The ripple effect is far reaching.

 

[Okhotnik]

Booming, liberal, socialist metropolis Cheyenne is...breaking ground on a stadium for the pro football team next year I heard.

Its super funny you're so flippant Buzzregarding millions of Americans losing their livelihoods .

Are you still getting paid and did you lose your job as a result of the Chinese virus?

 

[307]

I don't think the true damage that the ongoing lockdown in some states has caused to some people's lives, livelihoods, the economy, and retirement savings will be realized for some time.

This week I have talked to multiple people from WA state who are hoping to return to work during the next 2 weeks, but who may not have a full time job when they return.

The state governors and health districts who close down specified businesses without any options for these Americans to manage these situations on their own have created ripple effects that extend far beyond the specified businesses.

I hope this doesn't come to fruition, but with talking to some of these people in various industries this week, I hadn't considered some of the far reaching ripple effects that are starting to be caused by some of these shutdowns.

Once the paycheck protection program stops, which is fairly soon, I think there will be a huge swell in unemployment again. Its going to be ugly for everyone at some point, worse for some more than others.

 

[307]

Its super funny you're so flippant Buzzregarding millions of Americans losing their livelihoods .

Are you still getting paid and did you lose your job as a result of the Chinese virus?

Where are you getting flippant?

Imo Cheyenne is definitely not front range Colorado. Very different vibe.

But also different from the majority of Wyoming. Sort of stuck in between a bit but much closer to Wyoming vibe than Colorado front range. At least for now...

 

[FatCampzWife]

You should wear a mask for the rest of your life then. This is another virus among many viruses, bacteria, and parasite...out of thousands that we can and are exposed to all of the time. I take care of people who "you" can kill with or without the current coronavirus around.

As sad as it may sound to some, at some point maybe we all need to take a little responsibility for ourselves. These medical ethics issues that everyone is weighing in on and are suddenly so aware of since the media's abrupt about face and extreme concern beginning in March, have been around forever flying under the average person's radar.

Just some questions to ponder...

At what point does the nanny state go too far in your minds? What level of deaths is acceptable vs. not acceptible? Should I be prosecuted or persecuted for serving someone french fries and a soda pop or selling them cigarettes or selling them pesticides, as people are currently being prosecuted or being barred from areas for not wearing a mask? After all, all of these lead to an earlier death in ourselves and others.

A mask "may" help prevent someone from getting a disease in certain situations, a disease that will certainly spread regardless of mask use. Should we require mask use in all public places from here on out, like some state laws banning cigarette smoking in certain enclosed public areas?

Currently we have indefinite executive orders (not laws) mandating mask use in situations where contract tracing has not demonstrated any viral spread at all...why? Should this be legal?

The difference between several of the examples you describe & the current situation is the lack of knowledge & treatments/preventative vaccines associated with this virus. I tend to believe that many people who are immunocumpromised & actually care about their health avoid the known risks. They live fairly cautious lives already. Going into a forest filled with hazards without any supplies whatsoever is far different than having a few basic survival tools. At this point with this virus, we don't have a whole lot of survival tools.
I'll do my part, & wear a mask, and if I'm a carrier I'll hopefully not make a more vulnerable person sick before we have more tools available to fight this virus. I also won't drive drunk, call out Fire in a theatre, or leave my firearms in an unlocked vehicle. It's the responsible thing to do, so I'll do it.