What are your thoughts on the Kung Flu?

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MtnOyster said:
We’ve had several older people die from pneumonia around here this year, our local hospitals were full 2 months ago, from pneumonia, my whole family (all 4 of us) we’re deathly sick from pneumonia and a cough that lasted 5-6 weeks that our doctors didn’t know what we had and hundreds around my area had, most tested negative for flu including me and my wife.

i wouldn’t doubt it but I don’t know, I do know when the antibody tests do finally come out we are getting tested to see if we may have had a strain of it.
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Same here it nocked the piss out of myself and kids wife didn’t get it that bad it was for the month of February. I can still feel it in my chest when I hike a few miles with my son in the pack
 
rhunter424 said:
That chart is misleading. How many days of 110 car crash and 152 flu deaths occurred before COVID-19 even showed up? COVID-19 has a lot of catching up to do.
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If anything it’s misleading in a conservative manner, using a running 7 day average when we all know damn well the current and near future expected averages are much higher.
 
www.npr.org

U.S. Hospitals Prepare Guidelines For Who Gets Care Amid Coronavirus Surge

Doctors in Italy are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases and prioritizing which patients get care. Many U.S. doctors could soon be making the same life-or-death decisions.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

When was the last time hospitals needed a procedure to determine which people were worthy of life saving care because a lack of resources? Hasn’t been an issue for car accident or influenza patients far as I know.
 
Matt Cashell said:
It’s not misleading at all. It is comparing the daily rate.

You could make a chart comparing the yearly rate, or any other time period if you want. That wouldn’t change the steep rise in daily Covid-19 deaths, which certainly warrants concern.

I hope everyone follows the guidelines and flattens the curve, so we can come up with the necessary treatment, testing, and isolation protocols to defeat this thing.
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It is misleading.
It's using the average daily deaths over 365 days for the two horizontal lines, and using a rolling 7 day average for one COVID 19 number and single day deaths for another number. It's not a valid comparison.

What are the rolling 7 day averages and daily deaths (not average) for flu? That's what needs to be on that chart for it to be a fair comparison.
 
wind gypsy said:
www.npr.org

U.S. Hospitals Prepare Guidelines For Who Gets Care Amid Coronavirus Surge

Doctors in Italy are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases and prioritizing which patients get care. Many U.S. doctors could soon be making the same life-or-death decisions.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

When was the last time hospitals needed a procedure to determine which people were worthy of life saving care because a lack of resources? Hasn’t been an issue for car accident or influenza patients far as I know.
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we don't know a lot of things.... if it's not blown up by media, we wouldn't know.... a few word of mouth people may know, but nothing like this situation.

we have no perspective, nothing has been covered by the media this way...… that matters
 
wind gypsy said:
www.npr.org

U.S. Hospitals Prepare Guidelines For Who Gets Care Amid Coronavirus Surge

Doctors in Italy are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases and prioritizing which patients get care. Many U.S. doctors could soon be making the same life-or-death decisions.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

When was the last time hospitals needed a procedure to determine which people were worthy of life saving care because a lack of resources? Hasn’t been an issue for car accident or influenza patients far as I know.
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Good question. Wide scale triage is crazy to think about.
 
roosiebull said:
we don't know a lot of things.... if it's not blown up by media, we wouldn't know.... a few word of mouth people may know, but nothing like this situation.

we have no perspective, nothing has been covered by the media this way...… that matters
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People who work in healthcare have perspective. Not one of them, that I've spoken to. Thinks they are comparable.

There isn't a country who thinks its comparable.

South Africa has shut down. Do you have any idea the crime and murder related death rate in that country? Yet they are willing to shut down to try to slow the spread.

But I digress, they've probably all just been fooled by Fake News.
 
wind gypsy said:
www.npr.org

U.S. Hospitals Prepare Guidelines For Who Gets Care Amid Coronavirus Surge

Doctors in Italy are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases and prioritizing which patients get care. Many U.S. doctors could soon be making the same life-or-death decisions.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

When was the last time hospitals needed a procedure to determine which people were worthy of life saving care because a lack of resources? Hasn’t been an issue for car accident or influenza patients far as I know.
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Never in my life time. Obviously everyone should know by now, myself included, this is truly much nastier than the flu, it's been documented. It appears to be 10 times more deadly than the flu. The Spanish flu comes to mind with something similar. In the beginning, some like me incorrectly thought, yes I was wrong, that this was like a flu and why all of a sudden do people care so much. I don't trust the media at all and politicians even less, and I believe most people are sheep. I look at life as a balance of priorities. I value my liberty and freedom greatly, much much more than most. I feared we were going to panic and crash the economy unnecessarily, which has not been the case. I hope the country gets over this soon and back to work soon when it's safe. Bill
 
I wonder what happens inside an area when you stop the flow of people out of that area.??

Uncharted territory.....
 
tdot said:
But I digress, they've probably all just been fooled by Fake News.
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Most mainstream news is fake. That's the problem. Many including me have lost faith in the news. It's the news fault. I'm not saying they are wrong all the time, but they are very dishonest. Bill
 
Billinsd said:
Most mainstream news is fake. That's the problem. Many including me have lost faith in the news. It's the news fault. I'm not saying they are wrong all the time, but they are very dishonest. Bill
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Where are you getting all your information now? How do you know it's accurate?

The problem I see now it's people are seeking the information they want to believe it's true and then of course finding it. After that if course they Pat themselves on the back for being so smart and right all the time lol.

Not saying you do this Bill but it seems like how this nation works now. Pick a side double down and believe only what makes you right.

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realunlucky said:
Where are you getting all your information now? How do you know it's accurate?

The problem I see now it's people are seeking the information they want to believe it's true and then of course finding it. After that if course they Pat themselves on the back for being so smart and right all the time lol.

Not saying you do this Bill but it seems like how this nation works now. Pick a side double down and believe only what makes you right.
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Right people are picking a side and doubling down. People like me watch Fox, because it supports our beliefs. Fox is Super Pro Trump, most other stations super anti Trump. Lol. I look at them all and try and read between the lines. I mostly watch Conservative news like the Blaze, Breitbart, Newsmax, pro Trump Fox and balance it out with CNN that hates Trump, PBS, Huff Post. I get bits and pieces here and there. I don't have any one solid choice to recommend, except I like Bill O'Relly for the most part. Do I believe everything he says? Of course not. Do I disagree with him? Yes, some. Yes, he's making a great living selling his books. Everyone has an angle. It's almost impossible for me to know what's accurate or not. Bill
 
I posted a link earlier, but to me, Ars has had the most consistently accurate info out there. The comment threads are even mostly good. The are a tech site, so leans left, as do many of the posters, but they work hard to stay to the known facts in the articles.

Main article - this went live over a week ago, and has been updated. It is maybe a bit more conservative vs what I have seen elsewhere, but it does stick to what in "known" for what it's worth.

arstechnica.com

Don’t Panic: The comprehensive Ars Technica guide to the coronavirus [Updated 4/5]

This is a fast-moving epidemic—we’ll update this guide periodically.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com

Leans more toward worst case, but sadly seems to be the path the US is on:

arstechnica.com

Pandemic “will last 18 months or longer,” leaked US gov’t report warns

Gov’t report warns of medical-supply shortages and “multiple waves” in pandemic.
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com


General science page which has a few other covid stories:

arstechnica.com

Category: Science

Science &
arstechnica.com arstechnica.com
 
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The more you flatten the curve the more you lengthen the curve. You need to change the area under the curve to make a difference. Only a few things can change that. Herd immunity, not really significant until you hit around 60%, vaccine development and use, rigorous testing with strict and enforced quarantine of any positive cases.
 
wind gypsy said:
www.npr.org

U.S. Hospitals Prepare Guidelines For Who Gets Care Amid Coronavirus Surge

Doctors in Italy are overwhelmed by coronavirus cases and prioritizing which patients get care. Many U.S. doctors could soon be making the same life-or-death decisions.
www.npr.org www.npr.org

When was the last time hospitals needed a procedure to determine which people were worthy of life saving care because a lack of resources? Hasn’t been an issue for car accident or influenza patients far as I know.
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People die because of inadequate or insufficient or unavailable health care all the time.
 
rhunter424 said:
It is misleading.
It's using the average daily deaths over 365 days for the two horizontal lines, and using a rolling 7 day average for one COVID 19 number and single day deaths for another number. It's not a valid comparison.

What are the rolling 7 day averages and daily deaths (not average) for flu? That's what needs to be on that chart for it to be a fair comparison.
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Uhm. Take the daily average and multiply by 7. And then divide by 7. This will of course iron out some seasonal bumps and daily spikes or valleys, but it's
jmez said:
The more you flatten the curve the more you lengthen the curve. You need to change the area under the curve to make a difference. Only a few things can change that. Herd immunity, not really significant until you hit around 60%, vaccine development and use, rigorous testing with strict and enforced quarantine of any positive cases.
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I had to laugh and shake my head. Just before the stay at home order, I was with a number of parents who were all talking about when they expected the vaccine, how they hoped it would arrive soon, and that they'd give it to their kids, parents, every one they know asap. They're all new age hippies that are generally painful to listen at the best of times, but these are the same people who, 6 months ago, were all congratulating themselves on standing up to the system and not having their children vaccinated for unnecessary things like Polio, Small Pox and Measles.

I dont wish suffering on anyone, but when/if a vaccine becomes available, I hope the anti vaxxers are last to receive it.
 
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