What a great day for me and i would expect others!

[5MilesBack]

What is a good example of an unbiased news source? Where do we get true information that tries to look at both sides and presents it fairly?

CNBC had a guest commentator on the other day and they were discussing the liberal bias of news. The commentator said that journalism itself attracts liberal minded folks to that career.....so they are already slanted going in. Then one of the show's commentators said "How many of us have even had an Economics course in college.......I know I didn't......it's no wonder that the news struggles with even simple supply and demand". And this woman went to Harvard and is a commentator on a "Financial Business" show.

I don't think you can find an unbiased news source.......that's why you have to be able to read between the lines, take everything with a grain of salt, educate yourself on important issues, and verify everything. News these days is all about sensationalism......not about reporting accurate news.

 

[gelton]

CNBC had a guest commentator on the other day and they were discussing the liberal bias of news. The commentator said that journalism itself attracts liberal minded folks to that career.....so they are already slanted going in. Then one of the show's commentators said "How many of us have even had an Economics course in college.......I know I didn't......it's no wonder that the news struggles with even simple supply and demand". And this woman went to Harvard and is a commentator on a "Financial Business" show.

I don't think you can find an unbiased news source.......that's why you have to be able to read between the lines, take everything with a grain of salt, educate yourself on important issues, and verify everything. News these days is all about sensationalism......not about reporting accurate news.

Denzel Washington of all people explained it best: "If you dont read the news you are uninformed but if you do read the news you are misinformed."

[video=youtube;fW4BqUNdF4Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW4BqUNdF4Y[/video]

 

[IdahoElk]

This thread brings the funny and is a great litmus test as to who you would want at camp.

 

[jmez]

My issue is that my healthcare would cost 2,000.00/month for my healthy family of four. No health issues, no tobacco, no alcohol use, nothing. I exercise, eat right, I am not overweight, my wife is a hardcore fitness freak, marathon runner, and my kids are healthy. ACA raised my premium from 600 a month to what would be right at 2000.00 a month for WORSE health care coverage. Let that sink in. 2000.00 a month...... Higher deductibles, less coverage, we didn't keep our doctor, we didn't keep our plan. The worthless jerk said we would and HE LIED! HE DESTROYED OUR HEALTHCARE and it would be costing me 2000.00 dollars a month now if my wife didn't go back to work to pick up health insurance. So now she works for health insurance and after we pay the sitter, I lost money because we are now in a higher tax bracket.

I am not saying people on the AFA are worthless, but you and only you are responsible for your own situation in life. I had nothing as a kid, NOTHING. I, ME, MYSELF, busted my ass and made something of myself. I chose to have a family and I pay for them. My youngest was a month early and spend 10 days in the NICU and after my great health insurance I am still paying on the kid and she is 2.5 years old. Don't have a job, don't wanna work, just have kids and the state pays the bill, gives you diapers, formula, bottles, whatever you need. Work 100+ hours a week to get ahead, no problem we will tax you more to pay for this crap. The system rewards those who choose not to produce. But when government and others think they are entitled to what I earned it boils my blood.

Kind of my situation as well. I have a family of six, all healthy. Since Obamacare was instituted we lost our original plan that was a very good plan and affordable. Our current health insurance premium as of Jan 1 is a little over $1900 per month, $22,800 per year. That is higher than my mortgage on a house that houses 6 people. That is over a 100% increase in what we were paying prior to Obamacare and our deductible is higher, and our out of pocket expenses are higher. We both work for small businesses that don't provide group health insurance. We are on a individual plan. Most individual plans in SD were discontinued this year as of Jan 1, not sure why ours wasn't. Within the next 2 years our plan will be discontinued. What then?

This thing cuts two ways people. What about all the uninsured and all those that can't afford coverage? Well what about those that used to be able to afford coverage that can no longer afford it? What about those that had coverage and lost it? What about those that currently have coverage and are going to lose it? When Blue Cross Blue Shield cancels me I will have to go with a company that is based in Eastern SD. It will be the only option available. There are 0 providers for that network within 275 miles of where I live. Every thing will be out of network.

The ACA was and is a disaster. For all of those it helped it hurt just as many. It solved nothing. Someone please explain to me how my situation is better. It is a whole lot worse and I've yet to see the end of it. For all those that say gee sorry about your situation, that is no different than me saying gee sorry about others situation prior to Obamacare. You just think its different because of good intent. Good intent doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't help people.

I'm pretty biased against the entitlement mindset. I grew up in a single parent household with two brothers. My dad was an alcoholic and committed suicide when I was two years old. Leaving my mother, a high school graduate, to raise three boys aged 3,2, and 9 mos at the time. We never had much, we had what we needed. My younger brother and I both graduated from college. I went on and have a professional degree. My younger brother and I both paid for our entire education. It would have been really easy to say gee we can't go to college, we can't afford that because we couldn't. Yet we made it work. I really tire of the talk of the poor and disadvantaged and the "lack of opportunity." There is as much opportunity now as there ever was, you simply have to have the discipline and the desire to take advantage of such.

 

[Russp17]

Kind of my situation as well. I have a family of six, all healthy. Since Obamacare was instituted we lost our original plan that was a very good plan and affordable. Our current health insurance premium as of Jan 1 is a little over $1900 per month, $22,800 per year. That is higher than my mortgage on a house that houses 6 people. That is over a 100% increase in what we were paying prior to Obamacare and our deductible is higher, and our out of pocket expenses are higher. We both work for small businesses that don't provide group health insurance. We are on a individual plan. Most individual plans in SD were discontinued this year as of Jan 1, not sure why ours wasn't. Within the next 2 years our plan will be discontinued. What then?

This thing cuts two ways people. What about all the uninsured and all those that can't afford coverage? Well what about those that used to be able to afford coverage that can no longer afford it? What about those that had coverage and lost it? What about those that currently have coverage and are going to lose it? When Blue Cross Blue Shield cancels me I will have to go with a company that is based in Eastern SD. It will be the only option available. There are 0 providers for that network within 275 miles of where I live. Every thing will be out of network.

The ACA was and is a disaster. For all of those it helped it hurt just as many. It solved nothing. Someone please explain to me how my situation is better. It is a whole lot worse and I've yet to see the end of it. For all those that say gee sorry about your situation, that is no different than me saying gee sorry about others situation prior to Obamacare. You just think its different because of good intent. Good intent doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't help people.

I'm pretty biased against the entitlement mindset. I grew up in a single parent household with two brothers. My dad was an alcoholic and committed suicide when I was two years old. Leaving my mother, a high school graduate, to raise three boys aged 3,2, and 9 mos at the time. We never had much, we had what we needed. My younger brother and I both graduated from college. I went on and have a professional degree. My younger brother and I both paid for our entire education. It would have been really easy to say gee we can't go to college, we can't afford that because we couldn't. Yet we made it work. I really tire of the talk of the poor and disadvantaged and the "lack of opportunity." There is as much opportunity now as there ever was, you simply have to have the discipline and the desire to take advantage of such.

I guess I'm one of the people who it helped. A few years ago I found out that I have a type of tumor in my throat that will continue to grow back. I'm a young healthy person no smoking etc...workout daily. These surgeries will be a yearly thing from now to probably forever. By not allowing pre-existing conditions to be dis qualifier I'm ensured insurance.

I'm torn on this. On one hand if I didn't have insurance I would be bankrupt and dirt poor. I can't afford 20,000 dollars of medical bills yearly plus the other 13,000 dollars in insurance premiums yearly. On the other hand I don't like how it has an impact on other people in a negative way.

I don't know what the solution is. I think for starters the government needs to allow insurance to be sold across state lines to open up more market places.

 

[elkguide]

If "government insurance" ie: Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA hospitals, were working so well, why didn't the liberal politicians just give everyone without insurance, access to the government system rather than destroying the free market system?
To answer my own question.... because they wanted to control another aspect of the minions lives.

Why did they write themselves out of the new everyone will be equal government insurance plan?
Because they were just a little bit "more equal" than the rest of us.

Now don't get me wrong, every industry/occupation has it's share of pariahs but as they say, the only thing that is worse than a dirty lawyer is the insurance companies. There were some very much needed corrections to be made to that industry but by destroying the industry without looking at a true fix has left us in such a lurch and with even more disdain for government that we get threads like this with people on both sides really angry with each other.

This country will never be overtaken from the outside...... it will be destroyed from within!

 

[jmez]

Gvmnt didn't destroy the insurance industry with the ACA, they empowered them.

 

[Murdy]

If "government insurance" ie: Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA hospitals, were working so well, why didn't the liberal politicians just give everyone without insurance, access to the government system rather than destroying the free market system?

As I recall, getting rid of the single-payor part of the plan was done at the insistence of Congressional Republicans. No one wrote themselves out of the bill; Congress blocked any attempts to have "government insurance" for all.

 

[elkguide]

As I recall, getting rid of the single-payor part of the plan was done at the insistence of Congressional Republicans. No one wrote themselves out of the bill; Congress blocked any attempts to have "government insurance" for all.

All Congressmen and their staff are exempt from the effects and travails of the ACA.

The only reason that the single payer plan wasn't instituted was they new that when we the people saw that effect for everyone, there would truly be riots in the streets.

 

[elkguide]

Gvmnt didn't destroy the insurance industry with the ACA, they empowered them.

Empowered if they are able to withstand the turmoil they are going through. I'm sure that you have seen many companies not participating in the ACA if they aren't able to find the reserves to float until they will be able to either dominate in the market or be "bought out" by government intervention.

 

[Murdy]

I don't know what the solution is. I think for starters the government needs to allow insurance to be sold across state lines to open up more market places.

I, too, have a significant pre-existing condition and share your concerns. I can't agree with this proposal unless it included Federal regulation of the insurance industry. If we were to allow insurance regulated by one state to be sold in another state, it would create a race-to-the-bottom. Some state(s) would sell out to the insurance industry in hopes of bringing big revenue home and enact regulations that are very favorable to the insurance industry and unfavorable to consumers -- notice how all the credit card companies are headquartered in a few states, and most corporations are based in Delaware. Any company based in a sell-out state would easily outcompete a company headquartered in a state that is more interested in protecting its residents. It we were to open the markets across state lines, it is important to ensure that all insurance companies are operating on a level playing field. I see no way to ensure this except universal, i.e., federal, regulation.

 

[nflesher]

Kind of my situation as well. I have a family of six, all healthy. Since Obamacare was instituted we lost our original plan that was a very good plan and affordable. Our current health insurance premium as of Jan 1 is a little over $1900 per month, $22,800 per year. That is higher than my mortgage on a house that houses 6 people. That is over a 100% increase in what we were paying prior to Obamacare and our deductible is higher, and our out of pocket expenses are higher. We both work for small businesses that don't provide group health insurance. We are on a individual plan. Most individual plans in SD were discontinued this year as of Jan 1, not sure why ours wasn't. Within the next 2 years our plan will be discontinued. What then?

This thing cuts two ways people. What about all the uninsured and all those that can't afford coverage? Well what about those that used to be able to afford coverage that can no longer afford it? What about those that had coverage and lost it? What about those that currently have coverage and are going to lose it? When Blue Cross Blue Shield cancels me I will have to go with a company that is based in Eastern SD. It will be the only option available. There are 0 providers for that network within 275 miles of where I live. Every thing will be out of network.

The ACA was and is a disaster. For all of those it helped it hurt just as many. It solved nothing. Someone please explain to me how my situation is better. It is a whole lot worse and I've yet to see the end of it. For all those that say gee sorry about your situation, that is no different than me saying gee sorry about others situation prior to Obamacare. You just think its different because of good intent. Good intent doesn't pay the bills and it doesn't help people.

I'm pretty biased against the entitlement mindset. I grew up in a single parent household with two brothers. My dad was an alcoholic and committed suicide when I was two years old. Leaving my mother, a high school graduate, to raise three boys aged 3,2, and 9 mos at the time. We never had much, we had what we needed. My younger brother and I both graduated from college. I went on and have a professional degree. My younger brother and I both paid for our entire education. It would have been really easy to say gee we can't go to college, we can't afford that because we couldn't. Yet we made it work. I really tire of the talk of the poor and disadvantaged and the "lack of opportunity." There is as much opportunity now as there ever was, you simply have to have the discipline and the desire to take advantage of such.

Exactly right sir!! People think success falls out of the sky and life is perfect. It's not, get out and make it happen. The world doesn't owe you crap! You are responsible for your situation in life. Again, I am still paying on my 2.5 year old, yet I know people personally who had kids and have no job, no insurance. IT IS ALL FREE!! ALL OF IT!

 

[smoke]

Congress could have addressed virtually all of the issues raised above with it was first considering the ACA. Instead Obama insisted in passing it as it was written - and you'll recall Pelosi famously observed that we'll just have to pass it to find out what was in it. Well now we know. My rates went from $850/month with a wife and 3 kids. Two of my kids are on their own, so now for a wife and one child, I pay $2100/month for less coverage.

January 20th was a great day for me. And it was also my birthday and my name is, in fact, Donald!

 

[wncbrewer]

I'm shocked and pleasantly surprised that this thread made it this far without turning into a mud slinging. I think it speaks to the caliber of people that rokslide attracts and how well it is moderated. Respectful debate is rare anymore, and I for one, really appreciate it. I'd be happy to share a campfire with any of y'all, even if we're 180 degree opposite on every issue.

Good hunting to all...


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[IdahoElk]

My friend is a top exec in State Farm and he told me Corporate greed destroyed healthcare.The salaries of these people would make you sick, it goes down the line to the Hospitals and you get to pay for it all.
Profit driven healthcare is the problem.

 

[Frito]

Exactly right sir!! People think success falls out of the sky and life is perfect. It's not, get out and make it happen. The world doesn't owe you crap! You are responsible for your situation in life. Again, I am still paying on my 2.5 year old, yet I know people personally who had kids and have no job, no insurance. IT IS ALL FREE!! ALL OF IT!

Haha...My wife and I talk about that all the time. May be irrelevant to this thread but we've paid over $5000 a kid for 3 kids and it hurt! Irresponsible idiots who can't afford that, don't have to. Sucks! If that won't make a conservative out of you, I don't know what will!

 

[Frito]

Congress could have addressed virtually all of the issues raised above with it was first considering the ACA. Instead Obama insisted in passing it as it was written - and you'll recall Pelosi famously observed that we'll just have to pass it to find out what was in it. Well now we know. My rates went from $850/month with a wife and 3 kids. Two of my kids are on their own, so now for a wife and one child, I pay $2100/month for less coverage.

January 20th was a great day for me. And it was also my birthday and my name is, in fact, Donald!

That's Gangster!

 

[Frito]

I'm shocked and pleasantly surprised that this thread made it this far without turning into a mud slinging. I think it speaks to the caliber of people that rokslide attracts and how well it is moderated. Respectful debate is rare anymore, and I for one, really appreciate it. I'd be happy to share a campfire with any of y'all, even if we're 180 degree opposite on every issue.

Good hunting to all...



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We're all still Americans. Thank God for that!

 

[Frito]

I'm quite surprised that this thread has gone on this long too. It's definitely a higher class over here.

 

[gelton]

My .02 - people aren't born to the right of other peoples labor or services.

Bernie Sanders and his ilk, God love em' think its someones birthright to free education and healthcare. If someone is born with the right to healthcare, then who is born with the burden of taking care of them. If someone is born with a right to education then who is born with the burden of teaching them?

Stealing from a neighbor to take care of others is illegal unless you are the government. We are all born with the rights from our creator to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but not others labors or services by theft, force or imprisonment. All government power comes from the barrel of a gun.

George Washington - Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.