WEZ hit rates.

[huntnful]

I just want to know where yall are killing animals in the mountains or broken terrain where the wind is constant, and blowing the same direction from you to the target..

I’ve been pretty lucky with directional winds mid day and evenings, and just light thermal drafts in the early mornings.

Not a lot switching directional winds between me and the animal. There’s always a little fluctuation in wind speeds, but at most shot distances it’s never close to being the difference between a vital hit and non vital hit.

I did just misread the wind on a pig a few months ago at 700 yards. Early morning draft through the draw, that I couldn’t feel where I was at, and didn't take the time to visually see it. Quartering to me, hit it in the ass cheek. Killed it second shot. Definitely don’t claim to be perfect. Also why I’m shifting views to “long range isn’t all that great”. Lots of room for potential error at long range. Mid and close range are very forgiving, to any system really.

 

[Formidilosus]

In some shot scenarios it seems like the wind is constant, but I've definitely had my ass kicked by different conditions down range I didn't account for. Especially up and down drafts.

Up and down drafts cause as us way more misses than left to right.

Are you getting at the fact that most apps/binos/RF solvers don't take inputs for multiple winds/directions at different ranges?

Yes. It’s a near useless thing, other than setting it to max wind you are hunting in and then using that as a factor.

Can you say more on how you approach it?

It doesn’t translate to written word. Wind is science and art.

The base is:

1) MPH gun number calc

2). Full value, half value, no value.

 

[huntnful]

I just went and looked and only 10% of my big game kills have been beyond 600 yards. Inside 600 I have a good amount of forgiveness to variable winds, which is probably why I’m not that versed in adapting accurately/efficiently to wind inconsistency.

 

[Formidilosus]

I’ve been pretty lucky with directional winds mid day and evenings, and just light thermal drafts in the early mornings.

Not a lot switching directional winds between me and the animal. There’s always a little fluctuation in wind speeds, but at most shot distances it’s never close to being the difference between a vital hit and non vital hit.

I did just misread the wind on a pig a few months ago at 700 yards. Early morning draft through the draw, that I couldn’t feel where I was at, and didn't take the time to visually see it. Quartering to me, hit it in the ass cheek. Killed it second shot. Definitely don’t claim to be perfect. Also why I’m shifting views to “long range isn’t all that great”. Lots of room for potential error at long range. Mid and close range are very forgiving, to any system really.

Seems everywhere I go- mostly ID, MT, WY have extremely variable winds. The last time I think I had a shot on an animal where the wind was constant and just a straight figure the whole way was probably 80 animals ago? 33mph wind at 427 yards IIRC.

 

[huntnful]

Seems everywhere I go- mostly ID, MT, WY have extremely variable winds. The last time I think I had a shot on an animal where the wind was constant and just a straight figure the whole way was probably 80 animals ago? 33mph wind at 427 yards IIRC.

That’s actually pretty wild. Like I said though, normally I’m close enough and it isn’t variable enough that I’m not genuinely gauging it and constantly correcting for it. It’s always normally variable though. Switching complete directions? Not so much for me.

I’ve never had an opportunity at animal when winds were over 25 MPH. I’ve also never antelope hunted on the plains.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Seems everywhere I go- mostly ID, MT, WY have extremely variable winds. The last time I think I had a shot on an animal where the wind was constant and just a straight figure the whole way was probably 80 animals ago? 33mph wind at 427 yards IIRC.

I'm simply not taking that shot. If the wind is ripping that hard I'll try to use it as cover to get closer. If it's not possible or I blow the animal out, friggin way she goes sometimes.

 

[huntnful]

This is the best I got. 25 MPH wind at my back right quarter. Wind hold? Never heard of her…. Jokingggggg lol

 

[Schmo]

Question: What is the easiest way to figure out how much forgiveness I have for 600 yards and in regarding wind call? Meaning, how I do figure out how loose I can be (maybe that sounds bad) and still land in vitals.

 

[huntnful]

Question: What is the easiest way to figure out how much forgiveness I have for 600 yards and in regarding wind call? Meaning, how I do figure out how loose I can be (maybe that sounds bad) and still land in vitals.

Enter in 1 MPH increments in ballistic calculator until a certain MPH takes you out of your intended kill zone.

Like your gun with a 1 MPH wind. At 600 yards it’ll be like 5” or whatever. 2 MPH will take you 10”. So a 2 MPH error may take you out of whatever vital size you’re intending to hit at whatever distance

 

[nm.otter]

Looks like Bison is offline at the moment, but this should work.

 

[HuntHarder]

I just want to know where yall are killing animals in the mountains or broken terrain where the wind is constant, and blowing the same direction from you to the target..?

Who said that?

 

[Formidilosus]

I'm simply not taking that shot. If the wind is ripping that hard I'll try to use it as cover to get closer. If it's not possible or I blow the animal out, friggin way she goes sometimes.

People shouldn’t be. I just used that as an example. Even 3-4 mph, i can’t remember the last animal that the wind call was the same as it was at the shooter.
If you shoot across a canyon- the wind isn’t the same at the gun, as it is in the middle of the canyon, as it is on the far side. Fortunately big game animals are big, but when I hear people say “I just read what the RF or Kestrel tells me to hold”; it makes me think they don’t have all that much experience shooting in wind in broken terrain.

 

[Formidilosus]

Who said that?

Who said that?

Read the last few pages. Multiple people saying “I just use the wind hold that the RF gives me”.

 

[Okie_Poke]

People shouldn’t be. I just used that as an example. Even 3-4 mph, i can’t remember the last animal that the wind call was the same as it was at the shooter.
If you shoot across a canyon- the wind isn’t the same at the gun, as it is in the middle of the canyon, as it is on the far side. Fortunately big game animals are big, but when I hear people say “I just read what the RF or Kestrel tells me to hold”; it makes me think they don’t have all that much experience shooting in wind in broken terrain.

Question you've probably answered 100 times: This is coming from a place of ignorance, so bear with me. Do you not try to translate your wind call into a full value equivalent from either left or right? Like, regardless of whether the wind is 5 mph at me from 9:00 but 15 mph "out there" from 5:00. Is it all by feel, or are you trying to translate the wind into a "that's worth 1 gun number (5, 6, whatever) from the right," if that makes sense?

 

[huntnful]

Read the last few pages. Multiple people saying “I just use the wind hold that the RF gives me”.

Oh sorry if it came across that way. I put in the wind I think it’s blowing at the moment. Then adjust accordingly when I’m actually going to shoot. If it fluctuates from 5MPH that I entered, and I feel it drop to 0MPH, I’m not holding 5 MPH just because that’s what I entered at the moment I took the range.

 

[Formidilosus]

Question you've probably answered 100 times: This is coming from a place of ignorance, so bear with me. Do you not try to translate your wind call into a full value equivalent from either left or right? Like, regardless of whether the wind is 5 mph at me from 9:00 but 15 mph "out there" from 5:00. Is it all by feel, or are you trying to translate the wind into a "that's worth 1 gun number (5, 6, whatever) from the right," if that makes sense?

How do I do it. Or how would I teach or suggest others to do it?

 

[Okie_Poke]

How do I do it. Or how would I teach or suggest others to do it?

Probably how you teach it will be more helpful, but I don't know.

ETA: I say teach instead of how you do because I'm reminded of a YouTube video from Ryan Cleckner where he was like "I just see the wind in 308," which was about as useful as a poopy flavored popsicle for someone without tens of thousands of rounds of 308 downrange. I don't doubt he does, and he also had other advice that was more useful, but that's why I'm somewhat hesitant to ask how you personally do it when you've drawn the distinction between do and teach/recommend.

 

[stan_wa]

Wind hold in mils = (range/100)*(wind speed/rifle wind rating)*crosswind component

I do the same thing, but I add .1 mill of spindrift after 500

I would like to add, however in case it wasn’t obvious to some people this method of calculating wind holds Works nearly the same in MOA.
Wind hold in number or clicks ie 1/4 moa =(range/100)*(wind speed/rifle wind rating)*crosswind component

Lets try 500 yard 12 mph 9 o’clock wind
(range/100)-> 500/ 100 =5
wind speed/rifle wind rating) -> 12/4 =3
crosswind component -> 9 o’clock is 1

So 5x 3 x 1 =15 clicks or 15 / 4 moa =3.75 moa

If you’re using a first focal plane, scope mill is slightly easier because you divide by 10 instead of four to get the number of Mills on this very last step

The only difference is the wind number for the rifle. Which will be a different value in Moa than mills so if somebody says I have a 6 mph 6 Creedmoor . They are ( usually ) saying that they have a 6 mph gun in a Mill scope it’s going to be more like a 4 mph gun In clicks or 1/4 moa.

Range/100 is what it sounds like, you can basically just round the range up or down to the nearest 100 and take that first digit. So 390 = 0.4, 220 = 0.2, 560 = 0.6 and so on. This is referred to as the "base", and it's what your wind hold in mils would be for a full value wind at the gun wind rating speed at this range (by definition of the gun wind rating).

Hey ya nerd, you’re supposed to be good at math. 390/100=3.9 or 4.0 not 0.4
I think you do range /1000 because you’re also dividing by the base 10 unit of Mills in this step

 

[solarshooter]

33mph wind at 427 yards IIRC

I need A LOT of time shooting in heavy winds before I would feel confident doing this.

This is the best I got. 25 MPH wind at my back right quarter. Wind hold? Never heard of her…. Jokingggggg lol

Super impressive shot. Just calculating this out, assuming your gun is a 10-11mph gun in these conditions, I'm getting about a 0.6mil right hold. This looks like a mil Tenmile reticle, is it? If so I'd say that's about where you hit... What was your wind hold and process on this shot?

 

[Jordan Smith]

If you use a ballistic rangefinder for every shot, I see no advantage of mils over Moa, do you? I am not near as technical or experienced as a lot on here in long range shooting, but I have been really successful doing it. At one point I tried to talk myself into MILs, but as deep as I am in moa, ill likely stick with moa unless a mils scope comes out that I have to have. I don't ever see myself using quick drop. If I have to dial, I will always require a ballistic rangefinder range. It could cost me a shot or 2, but there is always tomorrow or the next hunt. Knock on wood, it has never been the difference in filling a tag or not.

Yes, but the difference is slight. It just comes down to the fact that larger numbers and base-4 add complexity and complication compared to smaller numbers that are base-10. But again, if your BRF reads out a number that you’re inputting into your turret or holding with the reticle, the advantage is slight.