Weatherby Orion SxS 20ga hunt season review enroute

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I've been having too much fun with my bird-mutt! There's always been a part of me that is attracted to a SxS, so I snagged a loaner. Weatherby sent me a 20ga version or their Orion SxS for a few months. It comes with 5 different Briley extended chokes, skeet, improved cylinder, modified, improved modified, and full. I've killed a few training birds with it in the spring and shot some clays with it, but today I set out to pattern each choke with common loads.


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I need to get the kid's help in marking and counting the holes. I also was curious about barrel regulation and shot a few chokes from both sides with the same load, and everything seemed on point. I think I ended up with 15-17 pattern papers shot.
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My goal is to see how many different species in different states the dog and I can put down with this shotgun before I have to send it back, and then write about.

What do you want to know?



@robby denning
 
Weatherby has had some nice shotguns, and some not so nice ones over the last couple decades. Hopefully this is a nicer one! Stuff I’d be curious to know:
Overall configuration (its 20ga straight stock, DT’s, but basic action info, lockup system, ejectors, auto or manual safety, etc + any noteworthies here)
Where its made (turkey—made by yldiz?)
Stock dimensions and any options available re: fit…website lists a range of lengths so Im curious if thats different models, diff pads, or?, and if drops are accurate. Any cast?
Actual weight
Balance point (prob a photo)
Barrel regulation (sounds good?)
Handling characteristics relative to various other guns youd choose for the same purpose
Any issues you have
Street price
Overall impression
 
Weatherby has had some nice shotguns, and some not so nice ones over the last couple decades. Hopefully this is a nicer one! Stuff I’d be curious to know:
Overall configuration (its 20ga straight stock, DT’s, but basic action info, lockup system, ejectors, auto or manual safety, etc + any noteworthies here)
Where its made (turkey—made by yldiz?)
Stock dimensions and any options available re: fit…website lists a range of lengths so Im curious if thats different models, diff pads, or?, and if drops are accurate. Any cast?
Actual weight
Balance point (prob a photo)
Barrel regulation (sounds good?)
Handling characteristics relative to various other guns youd choose for the same purpose
Any issues you have
Street price
Overall impression

No ejectors; I wouldn't say it has extractors either.
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It is made by Yildiz

Manual safety

I believe it is modeled after a Fox internally and is supposedly more robust because of that. I don't know what that means so I will be in Sheridan in a month to meet with Weatherby's shotgun line manager to take things apart and learn.

Regulation seems fine, I expected something noticeable but can't tell the difference on paper.

Right hand cast, I will see if I can find out any measurements for that.

Swamped rib

LOP is with or without the recoil pad.

Other stuff TBD
 
Thanks! Yep, those are extractors. Extractors lift, ejectors throw.

Re: regulation, thats kind of the equivalent of rifle accuracy. Amazing how far off some guns are, even sometimes some relatively $ ones. I would imagine some of the more modern production methods minimize this, but it’s not possible to get a good shotgun fit if both barrels aren’t pointing in the same direction, so this is sort of the first must have for a keeper shotgun in my opinion. You have to measure it on an average, but the center of the patterns both need to be very close to the same point of aim, or else one barrel will have you missing more than the other!

If you go up to meet with them, just basic stuff on the action. Where the locking lugs are, how many are there, and did they do anything to either slow down wear or make those parts replaceable. Thats one of the main complaints with relatively inexpensive guns is the metal is usually softer or mismatched and less polished so the locking parts wear faster, which loosens up the action much faster than another gun. You see this with guys who get really into clays with a bargain double gun, its rattly and visibly loose within a year or two. This isn’t a clays gun per se, but would be interesting to know their take on this.
You mentioned a Fox—Below is a fox showing the lockup. It’s simple, but it’s not the be-all/end-all. It uses an extension on the barrel for the lock up, and you can see inside the slot on the breech face there is an arm, which is actually rotary and shaped like a corkscrew, so as it wears it gets wider and continues to provide a solid lock up. Lots of other guns use an under lug for lock up, sometimes two or even three of them. These can be very solid. And some guns use multiple different types of lock up. Between the barrel hook where it meets to the action, and the locking lugs, that’s where a double gun wears, so that’s the main driver on how long a gun lasts.

Also, are the chokes proprietary, or can you use one of the common systems (mobil, invector, etc) if you want to buy different chokes for any reason?

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Thanks! Yep, those are extractors. Extractors lift, ejectors throw.

Re: regulation, thats kind of the equivalent of rifle accuracy. Amazing how far off some guns are, even sometimes some relatively $ ones. I would imagine some of the more modern production methods minimize this, but it’s not possible to get a good shotgun fit if both barrels aren’t pointing in the same direction, so this is sort of the first must have for a keeper shotgun in my opinion. You have to measure it on an average, but the center of the patterns both need to be very close to the same point of aim, or else one barrel will have you missing more than the other!


Also, are the chokes proprietary, or can you use one of the common systems (mobil, invector, etc) if you want to buy different chokes for any reason?

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The regulation is why I made a point to document which barrel was patterned. 20/35yd IC, and 35yd full were shot from each barrel. Those circles are ~38". If you zoom in on the photos, what do you think about the regulation?

Skeet should have been wider than IC, but Iamd not convinced it was, and full seemed to throw a little low. I may try again, but I mainly was looking for regulation and a centered pattern. It also has me reconsidering bigger shot, and I was surprised to see the wads impacting on most.

The chokes that come from the factory are Briley Spectrum and a Yildiz thread pattern. The only difference between what are sent with this Orion and what is in this Briley link are the end anodizing color.

They sent me the below photo when I asked for internal photos, but I stopped there because I didn't know what I was looking at and just asked to come up and take things apart.
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This is fascinating! Never knew much about SxS and am loving this interaction. Thank you both.
 
The regulation is why I made a point to document which barrel was patterned. 20/35yd IC, and 35yd full were shot from each barrel. Those circles are ~38". If you zoom in on the photos, what do you think about the regulation?

Skeet should have been wider than IC, but Iamd not convinced it was, and full seemed to throw a little low. I may try again, but I mainly was looking for regulation and a centered pattern. It also has me reconsidering bigger shot, and I was surprised to see the wads impacting on most.

The chokes that come from the factory are Briley Spectrum and a Yildiz thread pattern. The only difference between what are sent with this Orion and what is in this Briley link are the end anodizing color.

They sent me the below photo when I asked for internal photos, but I stopped there because I didn't know what I was looking at and just asked to come up and take things apart.
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I wasnt really seeing the holes in the images so couldnt really tell.

In any case, if you are patterning a shotgun for the purpose of checking regulation (as opposed to looking at pattern density) the way I like to do it is to use a "group" of shots at the same target on top of each other. This is becasue similar to a rifle that has a "cone of fire", shotgun pellets and shells have variation and dont always pattern exactly the same , so if you are using just one shot it isnt ever going to be as accurate as if you are looking at the average of several shots. You also tend to have an easier time identifying the pattern itself and distinguishing it from the few flyers outside the pattern. So using a 3 or 5 shot "group" on the same target allows you to see an average pattern size, and an average pattern center, which is easier to see and more accurate for your use. Regulation is usually done at 40 yards, 35 will certainly work fine. To test regulation do just like you did, use a BIG sheet of paper with a clear aiming point, use a rest and aim the gun like a rifle for consistency, and fire 3-5 shots with the left barrel at the same POA on the same target. Then draw a circle (not a wavy line) around the resulting "average pattern" that captures 98-ish % of the pellets, everything but random flyers. Use a yardstick to draw a vertical and horizontal crosshair through the center of the circle. Ideally you should see the center of the pattern is pretty close to centered on your point of aim--you want to measure the offset of the pattern-center from your point of aim. Then use a different sheet of paper for the other barrel, and repeat. If you do it consistently this should be a repeatable excercise. There is going to be some difference, but you want it as little as possible--a higher end gun people look for pattern centers within a couple inches or so of each other at 40 yards, but for the most part if your pattern centers are within 4-6" at 40 yards most people wont notice that difference. You can also test it at shorter range if that's helpful, it's just not the standard.
Note this is a totally different process from patterning for gun fit, that's a whole nuther kettle of fish, but people get tripped up on patterning for different purposes, and the differnt methods to achieve those different goals.

Regarding the action--If you're like me, it'll be cool to tear it down with them and see how much of a rube-goldberg-esque contraption it is how the barrel selector works, how the safety works, cocking arms, triggers, etc. You can pull the stock and see much of this for yourself if you want, there should be a through-bolt accessible under the recoil pad on that gun, and the stock will slide right off the back.

LOP on double trigger guns is pretty much always given from the center of the butt to the front trigger. Nearly everyone uses a 1/4"-1/2" longer LOP on a straight stock DT gun than they do on a pistol grip single trigger gun. Havent seen any that provide both measurements before, but it would make sense if their published range of LOP isnt referring to different models.
 
LOP on double trigger guns is pretty much always given from the center of the butt to the front trigger. Nearly everyone uses a 1/4"-1/2" longer LOP on a straight stock DT gun than they do on a pistol grip single trigger gun. Havent seen any that provide both measurements before, but it would make sense if their published range of LOP isnt referring to different models.
Here's what I got just now; 6lb15oz, balance right at the hinge, LOP to left barrel 13.5", LOP to right barrel 14.5".
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Nice. “Balancing on the hinge” or a little in front of it, is something people look for especially in a lighter weight gun. Since the hinge is not a fixed location with different actions, a photo can show that. Basically, you want most of the weight between your hands, but having a butt-heavy gun makes it feel whippy and unstable compared to a gun with a slightly weight-forward bias, which will feel a bit more stable and smooth for a given weight. Us tall folks have to worry about such things if we get to adding weight to the butt in the form of a thicker pad to get needed length.
This doesnt say much about how much of the weight is out at the ends versus concentrated in the action, but its a fair bet that at just shy of 7lb for 28” barrels and a pretty normal stock, its not going to be a “fast handling” gun, but with a very reasonable balance it should be a pretty nice and easy gun to shoot well.
 
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