Weatherby is circling the toilet bowl

[Dirtbag]

Yes you can. A 100gr bullet in a 6.5 PRC is pushing 3,600fps. That’s how Weatherby gets there- light, low BC bullets with 60+ grains of powder.

Not a lot of loadings for a 6.5 PRC and 100 grain bullets.

 

[Spoonbill]

What the hell. Weather is now producing and stocking PRC and Nosler ammo.

They really need to stock of there proprietary stuff before dabbling as a ammo dealer... something seems amiss up there in Sheridan.

Edit link corrected:

6.5 PRC - Weatherby, Inc.

The 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) was released in 2018. This was the birth of the PRC line-up, intended to compliment the 6.5 Creedmoor, the 6.5 PRC offers 200+ FPS faster than the CM. Weatherby is known for ballistics and velocity. Our offerings push the industry standards on both...

weatherby.com

And its somehow cheaper than the Weatherby calibers

It looks like Weatherby is focusing on what will make them money. Making ammo that people won’t buy in large quantities vs making ammo that they can sell seems like a smart business move to me. The new cartridges like 27 nosler, 6.8w probably cut into 270 wby market share. Same with a lot of magnum rounds that do what the weatherby rounds do with better bullets and more market hype.

 

[RMB518]

I see that side of it for sure.
Probably a good business move from their side.
The 270wtby round is probably bested by some of these newer cartridges

 

[amassi]

I see that side of it for sure.
Probably a good business move from their side.
The 270wtby round is probably bested by some of these newer cartridges

None of them have any meaningful difference Ballistically
That’s likely why Wby will need to start shifting their rifles to cartridges that sell well and not hang their hat on a inch or 2 flatter trajectory and proprietary cartridges


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[Formidilosus]

Not a lot of loadings for a 6.5 PRC and 100 grain bullets.

Not a lot of loadings for a 240 Weatherby or 257 Weatherby either.

 

[Nhenry]

It's a better solution to the same problem, also works a couple hundred yards further too. MPBR still requires a general yardage guess at the far end of the effective range.

Insert unnecessary Vortex bashing here lol.

I was referring to a bushnell I had that pooped the bed. I'll replace it with a vortex whenever I have extra cash

 

[Brontosaurus]

I'll replace it with a vortex

I have some bad news...

 

[Nhenry]

I have some bad news...

He got in my head. I meant Sig but I typed Vortex

 

[Brontosaurus]

He got in my head. I meant Sig but I typed Vortex

If you do get it send it to form to test!

 

[wyosam]

BDC reticles fixed the MPBR problem better than excessive velocity and recoil did though.

If you want a FFP scope or to use a specific power to correct. Neither of those is the simplicity that is a good MPBR. I dial and use a reticle extensively for recreational shooting. I know it works, and it is a great tool. Don’t dial or hold anything other than potentially a little wind on hunting rifles. What is excessive velocity? Recoil? Still plenty of new cartridges making lots of both of those built for modern/high BC bullets. It’s not as though there aren’t great bullets that aren’t heavy for caliber.


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[Wacko]

I get your point and agree but what gun store can you walk into and buy a 6UM?

If that was for me....I stated in my post the 6 UM has no factory ammo.....

As an aside, I wish they would have used 6.5 prc brass.....seems the 6.5 saum stuff is destined for obsolescence....

I should state I know nothing about wildcatting though....personally even though it needs a long action I'd. do a 6-06 just for giggles........

 

[Balderdash]

Lots of talk of heavy for caliber/high BC bullets making Weatherby irrelevant. Fact is, most game animals still fall at short/traditional range. At shorter range or what was considered a long shot not long ago (4-500), BC doesn’t matter much. Speed kills same as it did before the current trend. Not everyone needs/wants/should dial elevation and play super sniper. A fast and flat rifle with a max point blank that covers the range a hunter will take a shot on game is still a very effective choice.


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Every bullet has a BC, even light ones. Why deliberately handicap trajectory, retained velocity, downrange energy, and ability to cleave wind in the interest of a higher starting velocity?

Since I've hunted and shot through both the MPBR via fast bullets propelled by a huge case full of powder stage and the high BC bullet at moderate velocity with LRF and reliable dialing scope stage, I can pass along that I've found the later to be more effective, even at the 350-400 yd distances. The reasons are myriad, but one of the most impactful is the fact that a shooter is more apt to practice frequently with low and moderate recoiling cartridges vs cartridges with the longest MPBR. While every bullet design has its own idiosyncrasies, IME, long for caliber, high BC bullets generally tend to be comparatively better killers, especially at oblique angles.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Not a lot of loadings for a 240 Weatherby or 257 Weatherby either.

What do you mean? Weatherby alone offers 6 loads for the 257 Weatherby. Not sure about the 240.

I think his point was sure a hand loader can load anything they want in a 6.5 PRC, but you won’t likely find a 100 grain offering in factory ammo; unless it’s a boutique ammo manufacturer.


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[Formidilosus]

What do you mean? Weatherby alone offers 6 loads for the 257 Weatherby. Not sure about the 240.

I think his point was sure a hand loader can load anything they want in a 6.5 PRC, but you won’t likely find a 100 grain offering in factory ammo; unless it’s a boutique ammo manufacturer.


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The point was- Weatherby aren’t supporting their cartridges so regardless of what the website says, Weatherby cartridges are by and large hand loader cartridges- just like a 100gr bullet in 6.5 PRC.

 

[wyosam]

Every bullet has a BC, even light ones. Why deliberately handicap trajectory, retained velocity, downrange energy, and ability to cleave wind in the interest of a higher starting velocity?

Since I've hunted and shot through both the MPBR via fast bullets propelled by a huge case full of powder stage and the high BC bullet at moderate velocity with LRF and reliable dialing scope stage, I can pass along that I've found the later to be more effective, even at the 350-400 yd distances. The reasons are myriad, but one of the most impactful is the fact that a shooter is more apt to practice frequently with low and moderate recoiling cartridges vs cartridges with the longest MPBR. While every bullet design has its own idiosyncrasies, IME, long for caliber, high BC bullets generally tend to be comparatively better killers, especially at oblique angles.

Actually, for oblique angles, I’ll take the BC hit and shoot copper every single time. One of the main reasons I shoot exclusively hammers, I’ve put them through elk at angles that require going through a lot of elk to get to the vitals, and they always do, then they keep on trucking.


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[Balderdash]

Actually, for oblique angles, I’ll take the BC hit and shoot copper every single time. One of the main reasons I shoot exclusively hammers, I’ve put them through elk at angles that require going through a lot of elk to get to the vitals, and they always do, then they keep on trucking.


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Certainly, if one is constrained and/or chooses to use copper projectiles, a solid case can be made for higher starting velocities and keeping shots to distances at which velocity is still high enough for reliable upset. One of my favorite rifles for snow tracking in heavy cover is a 7600 carbine in 35 Whelen. In it I shoot Barnes for the exact reasons you listed, and I don't worry about the bullet reaching vitals. Shots with that rig aren't likely to go beyond 100 yd.

I don't know the numbers, and it likely changes regionally, but based on my experience in the field and at the range, it seems the majority of hunters are still using lead bullets, especially for further off shots; as such, my original comments regarding higher BC and bullet flight and terminal performance were based on that assumption.

 

[Mike D Texas]

The point was- Weatherby aren’t supporting their cartridges so regardless of what the website says, Weatherby cartridges are by and large hand loader cartridges- just like a 100gr bullet in 6.5 PRC.

Not to be argumentative but when I stopped in the Weatherby store this year while in Wyoming they has shelves of ammo available. Everything from .224 to .460 Weatherby including the 6.5 RPM and .338 RPM.

Are they pumping out ammo like Hornady? Nope but it appeared they had plenty available.


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[Wyo_hntr]

Weatherby would be cool if they'd make a 6mm rpm loaded with 115gr dtac's or 108eldm...but that will never happen so....

 

[bojangles808]

Every time I think I might be interested in weatherby (usually bc it's on sale) I remember buying a weatherby is putting money n he hands of point creep for profit outfits like Hushin and Meateater. Same with Howa and newberg. No thanks

 

[Balderdash]

Every time I think I might be interested in weatherby (usually bc it's on sale) I remember buying a weatherby is putting money n he hands of point creep for profit outfits like Hushin and Meateater. Same with Howa and newberg. No thanks

Great points.

While this is only tangentially related to this discussion, one of my favorite paid influencer/hurray for me at the expense of others situations involved Randy Newberg being a shill for Leupold. Its been awhile, so I'd have to do some digging to find the exact scenario, but the jist of it, IIRC, was Randy describing how great his VX5 was, and then describing how it sometimes looses zero and needs to be resighted in. Real confidence inspiring.