Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22x50mm Q&A

[snarkscarbine]

If I was vortex I would blame loctite

Ok

 

[Formidilosus]

I’m not an engineer and I don’t actually know what I’m talking about, but I’ve seen evidence than excessive clamping force on a scope can make it do weird things. 16in-lbs dry to 25in-lbs wet (at a pretty conservative 20% torque reduction) is a 95% increase in clamping force. I don’t know if that would cause the issue you saw or not, but it’s not insignificant given the fact that incorrect clamping force can affect function. I don’t have a dog in this fight. Just trying to offer possible explanations.

I’ll make it easy for you- excessive torque was not the problem.

 

[snarkscarbine]

I’ll make it easy for you- excessive torque was not the problem.

That’s fine if you feel that way. I wasn’t there.

 

[Ucsdryder]

@Ryan Avery , any chance you’d send the scope to @sndmn11 and have him test it?

 

[Ryan Avery]

@Ryan Avery , any chance you’d send the scope to @sndmn11 and have him test it?

If you can give me a valid reason.

 

[freddyG]

Did anyone really expect Vortex to come out and say that their scopes aren’t designed to not shift zero after a padded mat drop?

 

[Ucsdryder]

If you can give me a valid reason.

Sure…form said it was a piece of crap and vortex said they tested it and there were no issues and the way it was mounted caused the issues. They tested it, for what that’s worth, and it passed. So it’s 1 to 1 right now. We need a tiebreaker!

 

[Ryan Avery]

Sure…form said it was a piece of crap and vortex said they tested it and there were no issues and the way it was mounted caused the issues. They tested it, for what that’s worth, and it passed. So it’s 1 to 1 right now. We need a tiebreaker!

How many scopes have you sent back? I have sent back scope to lots of companies including NF for tracking/turret issues. They all told me nothing was wrong and sent them back except Leupold who told me they fixed the issue.

Do you have an LHT?

 

[TX_Diver]

Sure…form said it was a piece of crap and vortex said they tested it and there were no issues and the way it was mounted caused the issues. They tested it, for what that’s worth, and it passed. So it’s 1 to 1 right now. We need a tiebreaker!

I thought the original update said they were going to retest it? I’d be amazed if the results were different, but it’d be cool to just skip to the drop test if nothing else.

Whatever y’all do I appreciate all the tests and info.

 

[sndmn11]

Sure…form said it was a piece of crap and vortex said they tested it and there were no issues and the way it was mounted caused the issues. They tested it, for what that’s worth, and it passed. So it’s 1 to 1 right now. We need a tiebreaker!

I mount to 25inlb in @HawkinsPrecision , so I might be too rough from the get-go.

 

[Ucsdryder]

How many scopes have you sent back? I have sent back scope to lots of companies including NF for tracking/turret issues. They all told me nothing was wrong and sent them back except Leupold who told me they fixed the issue.

Do you have an LHT?

I do have a couple. They’ve survived impacts of 12” and more, ridden around in the back seat of my truck, carried on multiple back country hunts and never had issues.

Of course nobody can dismiss Forms test, and it gives me some uneasiness with my scopes, especially because I’m usually a long way from the truck for multiples days. I think the LHT scopes have a failure point, but I haven’t seen it yet in my own real life testing. So of course for selfish reasons I’d like to see an additional test done to see if it mirrored my testing or Form’s testing.

 

[CoStick]

How many scopes have you sent back? I have sent back scope to lots of companies including NF for tracking/turret issues. They all told me nothing was wrong and sent them back except Leupold who told me they fixed the issue.

Do you have an LHT?

Seems form has a specific mounting process and most scopes fail his test. Company says they think mounting was the issue. Seems reasonable if there is another testing venue to seek clarity.

 

[BjornF16]

I do have a couple. They’ve survived impacts of 12” and more, ridden around in the back seat of my truck, carried on multiple back country hunts and never had issues.

Of course nobody can dismiss Forms test, and it gives me some uneasiness with my scopes, especially because I’m usually a long way from the truck for multiples days. I think the LHT scopes have a failure point, but I haven’t seen it yet in my own real life testing. So of course for selfish reasons I’d like to see an additional test done to see if it mirrored my testing or Form’s testing.

Pony up and send one to sndmn11

The more the merrier!

Would increase the sample size to 2…after all, Vortex has a great warranty and from all appearances Form’s drop evaluation didn’t damage that scope

 

[Ryan Avery]

Seems form has a specific mounting process and most scopes fail his test. Company says they think mounting was the issue. Seems reasonable if there is another testing venue to seek clarity.

Or we just video Form mounting the scope to their specs and let him do the SAME test Instead of adding another variable with Kyle.

Do you have an LHT? If so send it to Kyle or better yet drop it yourself.

 

[BjornF16]

Vortex obviously is aware of Form’s drop evaluations.

Perhaps they should step up and perform their own drop eval ala Form style with their scope installed to their specifications. Proverbial put your money where your mouth is…

As an owner of 3 Gen 1 PST’s, I’d like to know.

Wasn’t it NF that torture tested one of their scopes and posted the video (commercial)?

 

[CoStick]

Or we just video form mounting the scope to their specs and let him do the SAME test Instead of adding another variable with Kyle.

Do you have an LHT? If so send it to Kyle or better yet drop it yourself

I don’t. You are right plenty of variables already involved.

 

[SDHNTR]

Yes, this is an easy fix. Mount it the way they said to and try again. Then they can’t make that claim anymore.

 

[BjornF16]

Yes, this is an easy fix. Mount it the way they said to and try again. Then they can’t make that claim anymore.

Of course they can (and will)…I can see it now: “Torque wrench not calibrated; over-torqued”

 

[Ryan Avery]

I don’t. You are right plenty of variables already involved.

If you have a better way, I'm all ears.

Sitting in the cheap seats is easy and cheap.

 

[SDHNTR]

Vortex obviously is aware of Form’s drop evaluations.

Perhaps they should step up and perform their own drop eval ala Form style with their scope installed to their specifications. Proverbial put your money where your mouth is…

As an owner of 3 Gen 1 PST’s, I’d like to know.

Wasn’t it NF that torture tested one of their scopes and posted the video (commercial)?

Yes, NF has an awesome torture test video. It’s admittedly ridiculous, but also entertaining, and ultimately does instill confidence.

All scope manufacturers claim their scopes are tough and reliable. Ok, enough lip service. Show us how you prove that. We shouldn’t have to drop stuff in the dirt and risk breakage (at our own expense) to be confident in our scopes. Manufacturers should do this on their dime, and show us how they did it. Walk the talk!