UT's land grab rejected by Supreme Court

TurkeyReaper69

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Utah would be better off pushing for better or revised management standards then wasting Tax payer money on this BS.
I sometimes suspected that was always the intention. Like someone else mentioned above "a flare in the night to alert R president and congress". What does Utah want? Increased royalty payments on O&G to the state? Higher PILT? The antiquities act to be repealed? Was this all a bargaining chip to achieve something?

Right after the election and around the time the Uintah and Ouray Rez filed suit against them they slightly changed course on this whole charade
 

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As an Alaskan I’m extremely torn on this topic. State management likely leads to eventual sales and once it’s gone it’s gone. On the flip side, federal dictatorship about land use is reaching sky high levels.

If you had massive federal closures superseding your state fish and games management model like we do, you may not be as cheerful to keep the Feds in control. An overhaul of the department of interior would be epic but likely never to happen.
Not to hijack this thread, but Secretary Haaland was just able to quietly slip on additional members to the federal subsistence board (who will represent tribal interests in AK), I sure as hell hope the new administration is able to get representation from a hunting and angling group and the ADFG a permanent spot at that table.

 
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Great news, but the fight is not over. Public lands will always have a target on them from wealthy folks who see the "vacant" land as an opportunity to line their friends' and their own pockets.
 

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Republicans want to sell land to their friends, Dems want "costewardship" or "tribal management" of federal lands. Two sides of the same damn coin.

We, the public land owners get f**ked either way.
They’re flat giving it away and we get nothing for it, no tax base from the profits from extraction etc..

Same bull shit different instead of an elephant we have a donkey.
 

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Grazing on state and blm lands is cheaper than any private lands, and is typically the best wintering grounds as well.
Most states land boards require that they take the highest revenue possible for the land.
We should get together and add a fee or additional cost to say the hunting license as a payment to the state land board to buy the land use back from the grazers.
Leaving more feed on the ground for winter herds, attracting more wildlife, and leading to better hunting.
 

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Grazing on state and blm lands is cheaper than any private lands, and is typically the best wintering grounds as well.
Most states land boards require that they take the highest revenue possible for the land.
We should get together and add a fee or additional cost to say the hunting license as a payment to the state land board to buy the land use back from the grazers.
Leaving more feed on the ground for winter herds, attracting more wildlife, and leading to better hunting.

As a counter point, the grazers create and maintain water sources, do upkeep on fences, etc.


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As a counter point, the grazers create and maintain water sources, do upkeep on fences, etc.


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Great point on water sources!
We as hunters should definitely be working to add more water sources on the land scape.

I would say the fence removal would actually help species like pronghorn in winter.
 

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They’re flat giving it away and we get nothing for it, no tax base from the profits from extraction etc..

Same bull shit different instead of an elephant we have a donkey.

Check out this land exchange that was just completed. Incredibly unpopular in the local community, yes the BLM gained more surface estate, but at the detriment to angling opportunities.

Whenever you see "land transfer proposed by billionaire" its more than likely not a win for the public land user.
 
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This is a good reminder to vote in primaries and local elections. Most of y’all wouldn’t be caught dead voting for a Democrat, but there’s plenty of pro-public lands republicans out there.
 

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Isn't it interesting how quickly this got rejected by the courts but the WY corner crossing issue drags on for months/years?!?
I suspect they did not want to deal with directly and want it to go through the lower courts first....this is far from over unfortunately
 

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This is a good reminder to vote in primaries and local elections. Most of y’all wouldn’t be caught dead voting for a Democrat, but there’s plenty of pro-public lands republicans out there.
Totally agree, yet somehow people like Mike Lee and Raul Labrador push this stuff. I don't think it's the mass of the common voter in their ear, but rather the oligarchs pushing their agenda.
 
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Isn't it interesting how quickly this got rejected by the courts but the WY corner crossing issue drags on for months/years?!?
Not really. The SC will reject cases they want to go through the lower courts first. The WY corner crossing issue started in the lower court so its making its way through slowly, as expected. Had they tried to file the corner crossing case directly to the SC it would have been rejected instantly too.
 

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As an Alaskan I’m extremely torn on this topic. State management likely leads to eventual sales and once it’s gone it’s gone. On the flip side, federal dictatorship about land use is reaching sky high levels.

If you had massive federal closures superseding your state fish and games management model like we do, you may not be as cheerful to keep the Feds in control. An overhaul of the department of interior would be epic but likely never to happen.
I’m torn on the topic also. Both in a pragmatic ways and ways that are more historical and legal.

On one hand, I’m very pro 10th Amendment and States Rights to the greatest extent practicable.

On the other hand, I’ve heard it advocated to give BLM land “back to” western states. But did some of those states ever have a claim on it to begin with? What I mean is, if you live in an area acquired through the Louisiana Purchase, it was federal territory long before statehood. From that standpoint, it would seem like a state has no historical and legal precedent for a claim on BLM land.
 
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