Trying out new sleep system to beat the cold

[JeremiahH]

Idahohunter,
You need an Xtherm. This system that you are trying is probably twice as heavy and still not as warm. It also packs extremely small.

I'll check those out. I tried one of the smaller profile pads last year and was not comfortable as I end up on my side often. My shoulders tend to ache going too thin. The Nemo stuff is nice and thick. However I won't rule anything out.

After looking at them closer they are only .5 inch thinner than mine. May have to save my Pennies, those are spendy , are they durable? Nemo stuff seems fairly tough

 

[littlebuf]

Might want to just get a good pad with high R value, bet that would solve it. Likely the same weight as what you are using too.

this. with a quilt if you have a inadequate pad your just crippling its ability to perform. sounds like you need a xtherm

 

[littlebuf]

im a side sleeper and sleep on a neo air xlite. the xtherm is a warmer pad but i dont find i need it. slept directly on the snow last year with my xlite and 20* rev x. was nice and warm

 

[Justin Crossley]

I'm also a side sleeper and the Xtherm is very comfortable for me. I have found that I can get the firmness perfect for me by letting out a little air at a time until I have it nailed.

How thick is the Nemo? The Xtherm is 2.5" thick.

 

[JeremiahH]

I'm also a side sleeper and the Xtherm is very comfortable for me. I have found that I can get the firmness perfect for me by letting out a little air at a time until I have it nailed.

How thick is the Nemo? The Xtherm is 2.5" thick.

Nemo is 3" , sounds like I need an xtherm. I'm just experimenting with the pad I already have. Xtherm is pretty spendy and I don't know how often I will be in my tent in the winter like this. However sometimes a guy should just get the right kit for the job, sell the nemo etc

Littlebuf, what were the ambient temps using your xlite ? also if it's the one I'm thinking of I looked at at REI, is it extremely crunchy loud ?

 

[Justin Crossley]

The Xtherm and the Xlite are both quite loud when they are empty. They are not bad at all when inflated.

 

[orionsbrother]

Campmor has Solite seconds on sale for $19. Bulky, but probably not much more weight than your combined components. Ridges and pockets might reduce your conductive heat loss and allow you to use your current pad.

 

[littlebuf]

ive taken the xlite pretty cold. i didnt have a any way to check the nights i was on the snow but it was teens at least. bear in mind im a warm sleeper, but it is a warmer pad than it appears too

 

[littlebuf]

the xtherm would be the best choice for what your doing though. shortly after justin started using his i recall one night up in the mountains where he said "i can feel the heat coming off this pad" if youve got a pad that radiates you can bet its going to keep you warm when the mercury drops

 

[JeremiahH]

I'll probably end up shopping around a bit for an xtherm. That's an impressive r value for the weight.
I'm off to the tent in a couple hours to see if this will get me through the week to come.

 

[badkneesbro]

im a side sleeper and sleep on a neo air xlite. the xtherm is a warmer pad but i dont find i need it. slept directly on the snow last year with my xlite and 20* rev x. was nice and warm

I agree with littlebuf about the xlite. mine kept me warm to about 20* which is the coldest Ive slept on it.

 

[Rizzy]

I think you will need a foam pad plus a high R value inflatable like the Xtherm to be comfortable in single digits. The Nemo plus a foam pad might work also, it will be heavy, but a cheaper alternative.

 

[mallacootasmoothie]

Reading this thread and I just don't get it..... Lots of you guys run quilts and floorless shelters, what is the advantage here over a bag and tent? Is it just weight? And is it worth it? Don't you have biting critters? Or snakes?

 

[littlebuf]

Reading this thread and I just don't get it..... Lots of you guys run quilts and floorless shelters, what is the advantage here over a bag and tent? Is it just weight? And is it worth it? Don't you have biting critters? Or snakes?

its weight, and i hate mosquitoes so i run a tarp tent. about as light as i can get with a floor. as far as bag/ quilt goes do some looking around on here and you'll see lots of pro/con discussions on the topic. i run a quilt for many reasons not the least of witch is not seeing the need to pack the extra material/insulation of a bag that once compressed doesn't do any thing for you any way, at that point your pads keeping you warm from underneath so why not cut the weight

 

[kickemall]

Justin, what bivy is that next to your quilt and pad in the pic you posted? Do you stuff both in the bivy or just the quilt in the bivy then both on top of pad?

 

[7mag.]

I think Justin uses a Ti goat Raven Omni bivy. I have an MSR E-bivy that I have used a few nights this winter, and I really like how using a bivy in conjunction with my quilt, helps solve any issues with drafts and cold spots.

 

[JeremiahH]

Had an overnight snow storm come in last night and that kept temps up from what they were supposed to be.

When I woke up this morning it was a little cooler and looked a lot different out.

 

[JeremiahH]

I did manage to sleep quite comfortable with the occasional fidgeting until I had things right. Kept messing with my pillow, letting a little air out, etc.
I ended up taking an additional sun shade with me last night and added that as another top layer when my back was getting cold around midnight, after that, I was warm all night keeping the quilt tucked in and cinched.

 

[JeremiahH]

The extra sun shade really made the difference and at a very light weight (1.6 oz). They will get packed until I spring for an xtherm.
Until then I'm happy I took a $65 un-insulated pad, added $5 and a few ounces, and got it comfortably into the teens.

 

[Brodie]

Neighbors giving you strange looks yet?