Travel Restrictions and fees in the Infrastructure bill

[ZDR]

Call your senators...at least let them hear your concerns, even if they are socialists.
Ted Cruz stopped Chuck Schumer from passing HR1 at 3:30am last Weds, maybe he can stop this as well.

 

[gelton]

I'm certainly no expert at all, but its my understanding that they want to run a test program where people would pay their road use tax based off of mileage they drove rather than paying for that at the gas pump.

Electric cars cause the same wear and tear to the road as the other cars out there, but pay no road use tax because they aren't filling up with gas, so I guess it kinda makes sense?

No idea what crossing state lines has to do with it, but maybe its kind of like how commercial vehicles have to report their miles in each state..

The crossing state lines part is what gives the Federal Government the right to regulate it.

Its also in the bill that by a certain date all vehicles will have blow devices to detect alcohol before starting.

 

[Ten Bears]

The Apple logo has always given me the chills in a Adam/Eve kinda way.

We all have taken a bite out of it.

 

[long hunter]

Remember when the idiot was running for pres. The statement he made HELL YES I AM GOING TOO RAISE YOUR TAXES. This is a pending tax you know a little here a little there hell they wont notice. And the rest of the IDIOTS in this country voted for him. Lets see all the out of state western hunters who have too drive a ways best add a month too your travel plans, electric vehicles, covid check points, sleeping in a culvert you will not be able too afford a hotel, the list could go on. Time for these socialist bass####s too take a hike. Have you noticed a increase in food stamp benefits, extra money for families with kids but nothing for the elderly folks. Kind of like a program of win there hearts and there asses will follow.

 

[Broomd]

Just emailed that weasel Crapo about this, that POS wants this $3.1T Infrastructure monstrosity.

 

[Rokbar]

How are they going to know how many miles you drove?

Yearly vehicle inspections. NC has done it for a long time. We have to take our vehicle's to an authorized shop every year before we can get our yearly tag stickers. More taxes, taxes, taxes...

 

[HuntingIndian]

i am dreading the day, when state governments figure out how to tax the working from home crowd in innovative ways.

 

[ddavis_1313]

Yes there is a pilot program to study how to effectively tax you per mile. Been plans to sign a EO that would have at least 50% of cars sold in the US by 2030 I believe to be electric. So, if half the cars are electric, your spending half the gas. Therefore, losing half the gas tax.

Well, here is how they make up the difference.

Sadly, this is nothing compared to the 3.5 trillion dollar deal coming down the pipe. When all is said and done, the 3.5 will end up being 5.5 TRILLION on top of the bill you are referring to. It’s the green new deal, free education, and introduction into socialism. Included in that bill is amnesty. Estimated 13-30 million illegal immigrants can file for citizenship.

Here is the kicker. The bill you are referring to was voted in favor of by 19 rhinos. So it’s “by partisan” if you want to call it that. Those rhinos are going to be if it heavily since they are in favor of it. The democrats have stated that unless the rhinos support amnesty in the new bill and don’t try to amend it, they will shoot down the first bill that favors the rhinos.

Then it will be republicans that stoped free education and free preschool, and free child tax credits, increased unemployment, etc.

It’s a game. It’s chess. And the reason we were were we were under 45 is he plays chess in 5D while everyone else plays checkers. “The art of the deal”.

Sad times lay ahead. It’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. IF it gets better.

This was screen shot off a website that listed breakdowns of a lot of what’s in the new bill coming. I tried to find it again but a simple DuckDuckGo search is all you need to see multiple sources that show all of it.


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[roadrunner]

App on your cell phone. It will be in concert with your insurance company. The more you drive, the higher risk you are. For your own good, you will need to have your mileage tracked so you pay the right amount of insurance and carbon credits.

this will make things more equitable.

There will be a sliding scale though and the more your report on your taxes, the higher your rates.

this will make things more equitable.

you will be asked to contribute a potion (don’t worry, only a few cents on the dollar) to a fund that will go to historically oppressed populations to help pay for their insurance and carbons credits, and maybe even get them in a more fuel efficient car.

this will make things more equitable

Do I have to go on?

Are they going to make you get a cell phone?

Do I have to go on...

 

[ODB]

Are they going to make you get a cell phone?

Do I have to go on...

your car very likely already has a GPS

The spending bill just passed has proposed language to require passive (think about that one for a second) system to check your blood/alcohol level.

need I continue?

How much more evidence do you need to know you are being nudged into a very tight corner?

 

[eddielasvegas]

Storm's a comin'.


Eddie

 

[Rob5589]

Are they going to make you get a cell phone?

Do I have to go on...

They won't need to. They can tie into auto insurance. I get a questionnaire every year or so asking for current mileage of our vehicles. The rates are based partially on how much you drive. Vehicle inspections, smog inspections, DMV requirements, are all easy ways to get what they want.

 

[Poser]

Thinking out loud, here. With the decided push to convert to EVs over the next 10 years and, from an observation standpoint, we seem to be trending already as I’m seeing Teslas on an increasing basis, EV stocks are looking increasingly productive, and the technology is making leaps and bounds, what is to replace the eventual decreasing revenue from fuel taxes to maintain roads and highway infrastructure?

It seems apparent that demand for travel and transportation will only increase, thus creating more demand for higher quality roads and infrastructure, particularly with the advent of self driving vehicles, particularly trucks. Since EVs can be/will be charged at home for at least a significant percentage of use, there is no practical way to parse that energy consumption out from other usage to direct to road funding. If the prevailing sentiment is to rule out mileage tax, what is the proposed substitute to replace fuel taxes in a reality where fuel will face declining demand?

 

[GSPHUNTER]

As one of the more well known, if not liked politicians once said, " lets pass this bills so we can see what's in it"

 

[gelton]

Thinking out loud, here. With the decided push to convert to EVs over the next 10 years and, from an observation standpoint, we seem to be trending already as I’m seeing Teslas on an increasing basis, EV stocks are looking increasingly productive, and the technology is making leaps and bounds, what is to replace the eventual decreasing revenue from fuel taxes to maintain roads and highway infrastructure?

It seems apparent that demand for travel and transportation will only increase, thus creating more demand for higher quality roads and infrastructure, particularly with the advent of self driving vehicles, particularly trucks. Since EVs can be/will be charged at home for at least a significant percentage of use, there is no practical way to parse that energy consumption out from other usage to direct to road funding. If the prevailing sentiment is to rule out mileage tax, what is the proposed substitute to replace fuel taxes in a reality where fuel will face declining demand?

Oh, they will find a way...perhaps taxing electricity even more so than it already is...funny how the EV's use of rare earth minerals (also mined) coupled with the Electrical grid (ran largely on coal) is somehow seen as preferable but to think the mafia, I mean the government, isn't going to get their vig is short-sighted.

 

[ODB]

Oh, they will find a way...perhaps taxing electricity even more so than it already is...funny how the EV's use of rare earth minerals (also mined) coupled with the Electrical grid (ran largely on coal) is somehow seen as preferable but to think the mafia, I mean the government, isn't going to get their vig is short-sighted.

When Nikola Tesla told George Westinghouse his idea for harvesting energy from the earth’s atmosphere and allowing anyone to tap into it, Westinghouse is reputed to have said: “Where do we put the meter?”

point being that in this day and age, they are putting meters everywhere.

 

[SirChooCH]

Electric cars cause the same wear and tear to the road as the other cars out there, but pay no road use tax because they aren't filling up with gas, so I guess it kinda makes sense?

Cause MORE wear and tear on the road. Heavier vehicles with the weight of batteries added and more torque. Should be charging more for EVs to cover costs instead of giving them a tax break to buy them.

 

[roadrunner]

your car very likely already has a GPS

The spending bill just passed has proposed language to require passive (think about that one for a second) system to check your blood/alcohol level.

need I continue?

How much more evidence do you need to know you are being nudged into a very tight corner?

No, highly doubtful my current vehicle already has a GPS. They can be disabled...

They cannot check your blood alcohol level without your consent. They can take their passive language and shove it up their ass.

I don't need any evidence. Just because there is language "making" you do something doesn't mean you have to.

Of course, there are millions of doleful idiots that just go with the flow, the very reason why this crap keeps getting imposed.

A lot of chicken littles out there (me included I guess) that aren't willing to put a stop to all this nonsense.

 

[540-Virginian]

From what i understood the tax mileage thing was a voluntary program people could sign up for, not forced on the population. And states would be the implementors. but again, it was a voluntary program to see if it worked. I think the idea is collecting tax that will be lost from gas.


What concerns me was that one page talking about turning the vaccine chips on to cross borders…

 

[Mike7]

I think in general excise taxes are not preferred by an authoritarian govt when they can instead get away with implementing taxes based upon monitoring your behavior.

A gas or electric excise tax, does not require monitoring of your behavior, you can't be put in jail for deciding not to buy electricity, and your freedom to travel can not be restricted or removed if you do not participate in the govt intrusion on your privacy.

A carbon credit/travel monitoring tax program can and very likely will on the other hand be used to restrict you to whatever travel distances and locations that the govt deems appropriate for the health and safety of not only yourself but of the greater community, to include but not limited to strict home lock-downs of healthy people and restriction of the very air they breathe.