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[CorbLand]

Compared to other hunting sites like Monster Muleys, and the Bowsite it is, isn't it? It took me a while to get used to the discussion forums. Usually the majority are pretty solidly Conservative with a couple trolling them. Other sites, are typically very conservative. I'm talking about issues like the NRA, BHA, American Presidents, Pot, Conservation, Popular hunters, hunting shows, conservation, hunting regulations, and fair chase. There is a decided liberal side and conservative side on many issues to me. It's usually not a problem, and I respectfully agree to disagree with some here. I can't think of anyone I always agree with or disagree with, though. I think there is a generation gap as well. I'm on here, Monster Muley's, and the Bowsite. I'm here on the discussion forum and read the Bowsite. The Bowsite is extremely conservative, isn't it? Bill

I don’t know, you tell me. That’s my point is there are a couple people that keep saying it is but yet no one can tell me how. I don’t see it. I don’t see this liberal side that people talk about. Are you considered liberal because you think the NRA is good at fear mongering and disagree with their mentality of if your not with us your against us? Are you a liberal for thinking that both sides of the political spectrum are the same, it’s just your side is better than the other? Are you a liberal for not wanting to loot and plunder natural resources? That’s all I ever see anyone say. I honestly can’t think of a single time I have seen a liberal post on this website. Maybe a few leaning towards the middle but if that is all it takes to be a liberal by God I better change my voting habits.


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[Justin Crossley]

I would say the staff at Rokslide are mostly conservative/liberitarian. I feel the forums may come across as more liberal due to the fact we welcome all opinions as long as the person is polite.

 

[Ryan Avery]

For some reason, open discussion and debates are under attack. You can still be friends with someone that you disagrees with, its called progress... I know, tricky word.

@Justin Crossley is right, I don't see anyone on this staff that leans remotely left.

The unpopular opinion is the one that needs to be protected the most. Because sooner or later you will find yourself with that opinion.

 

[Trr15]

I was thinking the same thing.


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I agree, but I will say that with the growth of this forum over the years, the number of confrontational smartasses has increased at a disproportionate rate.


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[BroodBuster]

The unpopular opinion is the one that needs to be protected the most.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

No greater threat to peace and freedom than group think!

 

[5MilesBack]

I think there is a generation gap as well.

There's a generation gap, and the part of the country you're from makes a big difference as well. Some parts of the country might as well be a foreign country because they're so different. You throw the generation gap together with that, and we might as well be speaking different languages as well.......because in reality we are.

 

[5MilesBack]

I honestly can’t think of a single time I have seen a liberal post on this website.

Oh there's been plenty of them. However, there are some liberal members that only show up when a so-called "political" thread appears. That tells me they aren't really interested in what Rokslide is all about........only come on to stir things up. Pretty much like what we see every day with the media and the Dems obstructing Trump from getting anything positive accomplished during his Presidency.

 

[Billinsd]

Are you considered liberal because you think the NRA is good at fear mongering and disagree with their mentality of if your not with us your against us?

To some you are. To me and others (I'm guessing), the NRA is the only big organization defending the 2nd Amendment. Some Conservatives don't want to hear any criticizing, others like me believe the NRA could do better, may or may not think Wayne Laypierrie should be replaced. However, we don't want to see open hostility towards the NRA in public. We are careful and cautious criticizing the NRA. We believe without the NRA we would be like Australia or Canada. I believe we will be like that with the NRA, only it will take longer, decades longer. I got mixed feelings about the NRA too, but don't want to get rid of them or defame them publically. When you say the NRA is good at fear mongering, I cringe. Maybe they are maybe they aren't, but that is too harsh to me. With us or against us? I don't cringe, I think they are doing that. I fall into that camp, but I have mixed feelings. I'd like a house cleaning in the NRA myself. I'd wager a lot would. However, I am not going to probably ever renounce my life membership status. I consider I am a life member of protecting the 2nd Amendment, not who the management of the NRA is at the time. I believe Ducks Unlimited, RMEF, and QU are or have had the same issues. QU is gone, now there is Quail Forever, which I believe is much better!!!

Are you a liberal for thinking that both sides of the political spectrum are the same, it’s just your side is better than the other?

To some you are. To me, I say both sides are corrupt, in that politics is inherently bad. They are the same that way and the same in that politicians want to keep getting elected and stay in power. However, they are not the same otherwise. No, not at all. For instance I don't really consider myself a Republican even though I am registered as one, I consider myself a libertarian leaning Conservative. The Democrats don't offer me anything, nothing, zero, zilch over the Republicans. Well, there are a few things I'd agree with Democrats, however, it's hard to remember what or when.

Are you a liberal for not wanting to loot and plunder natural resources?

Bingo that hits the nerve right there. Well, of course you are not liberal for wanting to conserve our natural resources. What do you mean by loot and plunder? What does conserve mean? It's your definition which determines your leaning to me. I'll admit, I'm far, far, far to the right. Maybe more than anyone on this site? However, I am not in favor of looting and plundering our natural resources either. I am in favor of conserving our natural resources, but very much against preserving them. I am in favor of development of public land for housing and development as needed for our growing population. I'm against so much immigration, however I believe the population needs food, water, housing, etc.

I honestly can’t think of a single time I have seen a liberal post on this website. Maybe a few leaning towards the middle but if that is all it takes to be a liberal by God I better change my voting habits.

I consider you a little left leaning, liberal biased in your posts. However, you have some conservative posts too. I respect your opinion and probably agree with you half of the time, give or take. I can see where you don't consider yourself left leaning, because you are pretty middle of the road politically and probably don't put politics into the equation when you are thinking. I don't agree with Conservatives on everything. I believe in individual freedom, liberty, and the Constitution even when I don't like the outcome sometime. That's how I see it. Bill

 

[Billinsd]

There's a generation gap, and the part of the country you're from makes a big difference as well. Some parts of the country might as well be a foreign country because they're so different. You throw the generation gap together with that, and we might as well be speaking different languages as well.......because in reality we are.

Right. Also, I'm a Californian, born and raise in the Suburbs. However, I grew up in the 60s, and 70s in Conservative Orange County. I went to high school with John Wayne's youngest daughter. It was common to see Buddy Ebsen around town. My parents used to see Nixon at a Mexican restaurant. My dad was a developer and built hundreds of homes to baby boomers in the 50s and 60s. California was a GREAT place to grow up in the 50s, 60s, and 70s!!!!! I've witnessed it become a one party state. I can relate more to guys in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, because it's like traveling back in time. However, I am different. I don't really fit in anywhere. I think a lot of it is that I am so stubborn, intense and have a mind of my own. So, I ain't your typical Californian.

 

[CorbLand]

To some you are. To me and others (I'm guessing), the NRA is the only big organization defending the 2nd Amendment. Some Conservatives don't want to hear any criticizing, others like me believe the NRA could do better, may or may not think Wayne Laypierrie should be replaced. However, we don't want to see open hostility towards the NRA in public. We are careful and cautious criticizing the NRA. We believe without the NRA we would be like Australia or Canada. I believe we will be like that with the NRA, only it will take longer, decades longer. I got mixed feelings about the NRA too, but don't want to get rid of them or defame them publically. When you say the NRA is good at fear mongering, I cringe. Maybe they are maybe they aren't, but that is too harsh to me. With us or against us? I don't cringe, I think they are doing that. I fall into that camp, but I have mixed feelings. I'd like a house cleaning in the NRA myself. I'd wager a lot would. However, I am not going to probably ever renounce my life membership status. I consider I am a life member of protecting the 2nd Amendment, not who the management of the NRA is at the time. I believe Ducks Unlimited, RMEF, and QU are or have had the same issues. QU is gone, now there is Quail Forever, which I believe is much better!!!To some you are. To me, I say both sides are corrupt, in that politics is inherently bad. They are the same that way and the same in that politicians want to keep getting elected and stay in power. However, they are not the same otherwise. No, not at all. For instance I don't really consider myself a Republican even though I am registered as one, I consider myself a libertarian leaning Conservative. The Democrats don't offer me anything, nothing, zero, zilch over the Republicans. Well, there are a few things I'd agree with Democrats, however, it's hard to remember what or when.Bingo that hits the nerve right there. Well, of course you are not liberal for wanting to conserve our natural resources. What do you mean by loot and plunder? What does conserve mean? It's your definition which determines your leaning to me. I'll admit, I'm far, far, far to the right. Maybe more than anyone on this site? However, I am not in favor of looting and plundering our natural resources either. I am in favor of conserving our natural resources, but very much against preserving them. I am in favor of development of public land for housing and development as needed for our growing population. I'm against so much immigration, however I believe the population needs food, water, housing, etc. I consider you a little left leaning, liberal biased in your posts. However, you have some conservative posts too. I respect your opinion and probably agree with you half of the time, give or take. I can see where you don't consider yourself left leaning, because you are pretty middle of the road politically and probably don't put politics into the equation when you are thinking. I don't agree with Conservatives on everything. I believe in individual freedom, liberty, and the Constitution even when I don't like the outcome sometime. That's how I see it. Bill

I believe in praising when they do good and reprimanding when they do bad. What’s the point of not calling an organization out when they do something you feel is wrong? If I continued to support the NRA but disagree with their tactics how are they going to change? It’s like politics, if you keep voting for a guy because he had the right title but he doesn’t do what you want, how do you expect him to change? The NRA does a lot of good but I strongly disagree with their tactics of raising funds and therefore have stopped supporting them with funds. Not calling them out in public is literally a direct effect of the if your not with us your against us. You are so scared to be labeled an outsider that you are unwilling to saying anything. Group think mentality at its finest.

By loot and plunder I mean exactly what it sounds like. Do we need logging, yes but do we need to cut every tree down? Does there need to be a house on every acre of land? I deal with people everyday that think they should be able to ride their quad to the top of every mountain. My mother in law believes that unless your growing crops on every inch of land your land is not being productive and that’s against the Gods plan. Maybe I look at your home state of California and say like hell your going to develop my home state to the extent it is there.

If you consider me a liberal I would hate to see what your definition of a conservative is. I am middle of the road on the political spectrum and refuse to blindly follow one side or the other. I vote based on what I feel is best and not based on the title one gives themselves.


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[WhiteOak]

I think some just take this waaay to seriously. Some see political undertones in everything they read and that is really unfortunate. If the first thing you try to glean from an interaction is thier political bent you are only seeing a small part of the picture. We all have different experiences, drop the damn labels, Who gives a shit. People are way more complex than politics would have you believe. The best leaders in history surrounded themselves with folks of differing opinions or demographics in order to make the most informed decisions. You can still learn from people you disagree with.
The mods do a great job at shutting down pure political bs on here, if you get heartburn over strangers on a hunting forum it is probably best to take a step back.

 

[5MilesBack]

If you consider me a liberal I would hate to see what your definition of a conservative is. I am middle of the road on the political spectrum and refuse to blindly follow one side or the other.

I consider most of the Republicans that we see in office to be liberals. Not really sure just how many true conservatives we have left in politics. I subscribe to logic. It has to pass the logic test. And that right there seems to be the dividing line for me between liberals and conservatives, on pretty much every subject or ideology.

 

[EastMT]

For some reason, open discussion and debates are under attack. You can still be friends with someone that you disagrees with, its called progress... I know, tricky word.

@Justin Crossley is right, I don't see anyone on this staff that leans remotely left.

The unpopular opinion is the one that needs to be protected the most.

I grew up having a Democrat for a grandfather that fought in WWII who came from a generation of Democrats that would be labeled right wing extremists in today’s atmosphere. I can remember some heated debates between my mother and grandfather that didn’t go anywhere. I never engaged in a debate with him, I figure he fought in the war and did more for this country than I ever will so what right do I have to try to change his mind?(Which wasn’t happening anyway so why waste the time?)

Anytime you mention any public hunting figure you are going to find people triggered by something they do. My parents are farther right than me, I find myself of the “If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket” club. We have had debates several times and neither has changed the others mind, I’ve learned to just nod and accept their opinion as it’s not worth harming our relationship over something we won’t agree on, focus on what we do agree on and move on.

Not everyone will align with your world view due to their upbringing and life experiences, so why spend time preaching to the choir? Use this forum for what it’s good for, the sharing of experience and knowledge and don’t waste time trying to change others opinions, because some stranger isn’t going to convince another stranger through a few paragraphs on a opinion built over a lifetime.

I’ve seen people berating others for blood in hero shots, for one club not being all up in arms due 2A issues, etc etc. Some construction companies specialize in one area, others another area. If you try to get your hands in 100% of the issues you can’t specialize and be the best in them all. Focus on what you are good at and lead the way. Debate is necessary, but you also don’t want to run people off before you get them involved in something.

I can’t tell you how many times I started a rebuttal and decided it wasn’t productive or worth the time. Now, get outside and have some fun and don’t argue with me cause I know I’m right! (*sarcasm)


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[rustneversleeps]

Only 75 more days until the archery opener...

I stopped reading once people went all political.

 

[Billinsd]

I believe in praising when they do good and reprimanding when they do bad. What’s the point of not calling an organization out when they do something you feel is wrong? If I continued to support the NRA but disagree with their tactics how are they going to change? It’s like politics, if you keep voting for a guy because he had the right title but he doesn’t do what you want, how do you expect him to change? The NRA does a lot of good but I strongly disagree with their tactics of raising funds and therefore have stopped supporting them with funds.

OK, fair enough. I support your actions, doing what you believe.

Not calling them out in public is literally a direct effect of the if your not with us your against us. You are so scared to be labeled an outsider that you are unwilling to saying anything. Group think mentality at its finest.

This is where we disagree. I'm not scared at all. I'm saying "think" about what you are doing and saying first. I believe in being "mindful" about criticizing the NRA publicly and not attacking it, or rather damaging it. There is no group think in what I am saying. True, some groupthink that nothing negative or disparaging can be said about the NRA period, ever. I'm not in that camp.

By loot and plunder I mean exactly what it sounds like.

That's a real old phrase of what happens during war. That's what happens to city's when they fall to a foreign army. Is that what's going on here?

Do we need logging, yes but do we need to cut every tree down? Does there need to be a house on every acre of land?

Of course not. Who says we need to "cut down every tree", "need house on every acre of land"? You can't really be serious are you? I've never heard that unless someone is joking....

I deal with people everyday that think they should be able to ride their quad to the top of every mountain.

This is a different subject. Yes I agree with you, I'm sure people feel that way. I don't agree people should be able to do this.

My mother in law believes that unless your growing crops on every inch of land your land is not being productive and that’s against the Gods plan.

People generalize and so are you.

Maybe I look at your home state of California and say like hell your going to develop my home state to the extent it is there.

My home state of California was like your state a few decades ago. When I was very young I ripped out survey markers and ribbons, because I did not like all the new homes going up. I complained to my dad and he sat me down and told me this. He said "Listen Billy, all these people have children and their children grow up and need a house to live in to have their own family, just like when I built this house you are living in and 6 others down the street." He said many Americans believe in the gang plank theory. I'm here now, no one else can move here. I believe development should stop at some point, however, I have never been in favor or restricting development for the most part. The important part to note is it doesn't matter what I think or you think or BHA thinks, as long a more people have kids and more people immigrate into the US, people will push further into more remote areas, more dams will be built, more houses, etc. Unless you believe everyone except you and the others that live in these areas now can live there and everyone else must live in apartments in the city. Even if that happens more people need more resources.

If you consider me a liberal I would hate to see what your definition of a conservative is. I am middle of the road on the political spectrum and refuse to blindly follow one side or the other. I vote based on what I feel is best and not based on the title one gives themselves.

Like I said, I believe you are liberal leaning (it does not make it fact). Like I said I am extremely Conservative and have huge issues with Republicans, even some Conservatives and Libertarians. I agree some with Liberals and/or Democrats on some issues. I don't vote based on political parties either. I just happened to disagree with most things democrats say. There are probably less than 10 or so Conservatives in the Senate and less than 30 in Congress. And pretty much all of them are pro public land transfer. I mostly agree with their logic and reasoning with public land transfer. However, listening to a lot of you folks on her I have moved left on my opinion of public land transfer, but I am still very far right of center. I don't want all Federal Public land transferred to the state. The reason is I want to access these lands and I want my children to. This reason is emotional. Usually I am very logical and analytical, however sometimes I am emotional. Sincerely, Bill Cheers!!!

 

[Billinsd]

I think some just take this waaay to seriously. Some see political undertones in everything they read and that is really unfortunate. If the first thing you try to glean from an interaction is thier political bent you are only seeing a small part of the picture. We all have different experiences,

So far I completely agree with you!!!

drop the damn labels, Who gives a shit.

Now you lost me. You sound like you want people to shut up that don't agree with you or don't like certain words.

People are way more complex than politics would have you believe.

Absolutely!!!

You can still learn from people you disagree with.

I could not agree more with you!!!!!

The mods do a great job at shutting down pure political bs on here

No, I disagree. The mods do an excellent job of keeping things civil. Bill

 

[WhiteOak]

Now you lost me. You sound like you want people to shut up that don't agree with you or don't like certain words.

Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying people can be of various opinions on a wide array of issues without falling into a specific political label. I would also say that the politicians supposedly representing the liberals or the conservatives or the libertarians for the most part do not represent even the majority of thier supposed constituents. Why do we strive to be put into boxes that are misrepresented anyways?

Or in other words I'm saying I dont give a shit about the labels. I think the figure heads from both parties are all in on it together and the people lose power by putting ourselves into tribes.

 

[5MilesBack]

Or in other words I'm saying I dont give a shit about the labels. I think the figure heads from both parties are all in on it together and the people lose power by putting ourselves into tribes.

I've always thought it would be best if we had no parties at all. And all decisions were made with picking the absolute best possible logical solution to each situation that's best for our nation as a whole. This is where politics gets involved. Knowing the best possible logical solution that's best for our nation as a whole......yet still wanting or picking something else. Something that only benefits a small subsect of our nation, which as time goes by actually makes our nation weaker or worse off in the end. That's mindboggling to me. But that's where we're at on every single issue that comes up for our country. Nobody ever wants to do what's best for the nation as a whole. That's the problem. It's the "what's in it for me" attitude, instead of the what's best for country attitude........which as a whole has been gone for a very long time. If all sides were all fighting for the best interests of the nation, we'd all be in agreement.

 

[WhiteOak]

Why do we strive to be put into boxes that are misrepresented anyways?

I'm going to try and answer my own question and say that it is because the 2 party system especially funding networks have snuffed out any chance of an independent thinker ever making it to office. IMO that is the issue. In my experience most people's views can fall on either side of the spectrum depending on thier life experiences. I think the majority of the people are much closer to the center than either side.

 

[WhiteOak]

I've always thought it would be best if we had no parties at all. And all decisions were made with picking the absolute best possible logical solution to each situation that's best for our nation as a whole. This is where politics gets involved. Knowing the best possible logical solution that's best for our nation as a whole......yet still wanting or picking something else. Something that only benefits a small subsect of our nation, which as time goes by actually makes our nation weaker or worse off in the end. That's mindboggling to me. But that's where we're at on every single issue that comes up for our country. Nobody ever wants to do what's best for the nation as a whole. That's the problem. It's the "what's in it for me" attitude, instead of the what's best for country attitude........which as a whole has been gone for a very long time.

Sums it up for me as well. Political parties were not part of the Constitution either. I think there will be a reckoning one day when our citizens wake up and realize how much power we have given away by allowing the 2 party system to continue. I hope so at least.