Timber Production Executive Order

[hadda]

I used to be against a ton of logging. Once I moved to NW Montana it has changed my mind. Parts of the forest are completely overgrown and have little habitat for elk. I hope they approach it in a way that minimizes impact on surrounding waterways.

Every year the forest service does a study and puts up a plan to log areas only to be sued by local environmental groups, this puts everything on hold and no forest management happens.

If we keep shutting down any and all types of resource extraction it will push the agenda of selling public land even further.

What youre describing is regrowth after logging that is likely not being managed well. Old growth is generally nicely spaced, easy to walk through. Wildfire also has a role to play but has been too suppressed for too long

 

[Gila]

Yes but you immediately fired back with “no logging”

You don’t appear to come from a bases of wanting to make something modern work.

You appear to be a preservationist.

i am not against logging…All I have stated or meant to anyway, is that wood extraction has an impact on the environment and the economy. Those impacts need to be understood and monitored. I have only suggested that some of these EOs are going too fast and impose what I consider to be unrealistic deadlines, on some of the regulatory bodies that monitor those impacts.

 

[JustABritCrazy]

The loss of mill capacity and few markets for low grade material is going to a serious roadblock on getting the EO implemented. Here in the east our export markets are going to take a serious hit from retaliation tariffs. Out west there are thousands of acres of dead trees and mature aspen. You need something like a high capacity stud mill, chip market or a wood pellet manufacture to deal with 8 to 12 inch dead lodgepole pine and mature aspen. 10s of millions of dollars of investment with multiple years of construction. USFS can put up a billion feet for sale. They are going to have a lot of sales with no buyers.

 

[Hnthrdr]

The loss of mill capacity and few markets for low grade material is going to a serious roadblock on getting the EO implemented. Here in the east our export markets are going to take a serious hit from retaliation tariffs. Out west there are thousands of acres of dead trees and mature aspen. You need something like a high capacity stud mill, chip market or a wood pellet manufacture to deal with 8 to 12 inch dead lodgepole pine and mature aspen. 10s of millions of dollars of investment with multiple years of construction. USFS can put up a billion feet for sale. They are going to have a lot of sales with no buyers.

Maybe log homes will become vogue again? Haha

 

[Customweld]

Maybe log homes will become vogue again? Haha

Hell, I'd take a lodgepole cabin!

 

[Jason Snyder]

The hyperbole on both extremes is funny. Yeah, a 100k acre fire is going to cause sedimentation and road washouts. Logging doesn’t contribute the ash back to the soil and also highly predisposes the cut to noxious weeds. A 2500 acre clearcut isn’t likely to stop a wildfire under extreme conditions.

Fire and logging are entirely different animals. They both have goods and bads. The kind of logging necessary to reduce fuel loads in the woodland/urban interface is going to be much different than traditional clearcuts.

 

[Wrench]

Perhaps Potlatch can share some advice with USDA and BLM. In Idaho Potlatch has logging figured out.....the roads are great, the carrying capacity is great and they promote multi use.

I'm all for wilderness type areas, but we need to be consuming timber and making habitat.