Tikka T3 too light

[Ucsdryder]

I will let you test it with Ryan and I standing there videoing. You can mount it in the rifle of your choosing. Also didn’t @sndmn11 offer to have you come try the drop eval with yours?




Brother, in December your were asking what being off 1 moa at 800 yards meant, and just before that convinced that you need to clean suppressors before 300 rounds (was this also the same rifle with the screwed up barrel?), but now you know all about ballistics?

I haven’t self appointed anything, what I write is objective fact and can be proven on demand- I don’t talk about things I do not know intimately.




What and how I write today, is exactly how and what I wrote a year ago. The difference is that you are using multiple items that I AB e wrote have problems, and yes you are responding with emotions instead of logic. You called me a liar, I’ve offered to have you do the shooting and see if it is a lie. I can offer that as I have zero doubt what the outcome will be.





Have I called you a single name? Have I gotten personal at any point? I’ve asked three times now- how many animals have you killed with 30cal and 6.5 cal Accubonds? What were the results?




So you you passive aggressively go through all this, then complain about me responding, then ask more questions?




What bullets and what cartridges are those? And where did I say anything about anything being the same at 800 yards?

You have lots of time on your hands. I’ll tackle a couple. The 1 moa thing at 800 yards was in response to a podcast I listened to where the “expert”, not you, a different one, was talking about 1 moa being 4” per side of the POI vs being 8” off the POA. My question was how do people see 1 moa, and as you can see in the responses, different people see it differently.


And in regards to the which bullet and who said 800 yards…what are you talking about?! You posted that guys need to stop worrying about magnums because a 6mm will get it done just the same. Something about pole vaults and mouse poop. So I posted up a 338 and a 6.5 are vastly different, which created this discussion. You gave some argument about 1” wound channel, “way past” 400 yards or whatever it was. I’m too lazy to go back and screen grab each one of your comments. I assumed 800 was way past 400 so I grabbed a random distance with the 2 guns you and I were discussing. Both AB bullets which is what you used in your example. Anyway, I guess you now agree that a 6.5 and a 338 ARE different?!! Weird…

Oh and yes, my gun had issues with carbon buildup coming down from the suppressor. I guess that actually didn’t happen because you say it didn’t?! Lol!!!!! I’ll attach a couple pictures for your approval. That piece of carbon came out of the chamber. Yes less than 300 rounds and with a .003” shoulder bump that will absolutely create issues. Somewhere I have a picture of a fired round that the shoulder was dented from carbon in the chamber which was coming from the suppressor.

All this to say I’m not an expert, and NEVER claimed to be. I spend a lot of time hunting, shooting, hiking, and being outdoors, been doing it for a really long time. I have my experiences that shape my beliefs.

Ok ! Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

 

[Ucsdryder]

You know, I've adopted a new strategy on these forums where often times really really bad info persists.
I find the guys that constantly post the dumbest stuff, refuse to admit they don't know as much as they think they know, and I ignore their A$$es.
Give it a try it'll greatly improve your online experience my friend

I know and I try so hard. I quit looking at certain threads but it seems to pop up everywhere.

 

[isu22andy]

Lmao . Gun debates are about as good as what oils the best for my truck debates .


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[35WhelenAI]

Everybody knows 0-5-10-15w 20-30-40-50 wt Pennzoline-Mobistrol-DeloTella is the best oil. Geesh...

Since that Tikka that started this thread is too light to be serviceable, and I believe the OP has since figured he would probably sell it, I'll pitch in the first 20 bucks and we can buy it as a community rifle. I will mount a "heavier" Redfield Illuminator 3-9 that used to be on my 7MM STW to help out with ballast and donate a set of skull screw earplugs and a PAST recoil pad for range work for the first lucky guy to use. Just replace the ear plugs when it is passed along.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Lmao . Gun debates are about as good as what oils the best for my truck debates .


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don’t be crazy… we all know rotella from Walmart is the best bang for your buck! End discussion!!!

 

[PNWGATOR]

I’m looking forward to 762 and UCS and 35whelen showing up to shoot and put their money where their keyboard is. Gonna be good. Rokslide Rendezvous!

 

[Wyobohunter]

Everybody knows 0-5-10-15w 20-30-40-50 wt Pennzoline-Mobistrol-DeloTella is the best oil. Geesh...

Don’t be ridiculous. Astroglide for everything

 

[Formidilosus]

And in regards to the which bullet and who said 800 yards…what are you talking about?! You posted that guys need to stop worrying about magnums because a 6mm will get it done just the same. Something about pole vaults and mouse poop. So I posted up a 338 and a 6.5 are vastly different, which created this discussion. You gave some argument about 1” wound channel, “way past” 400 yards or whatever it was. I’m too lazy to go back and screen grab each one of your comments. I assumed 800 was way past 400 so I grabbed a random distance with the 2 guns you and I were discussing. Both AB bullets which is what you used in your example. Anyway, I guess you now agree that a 6.5 and a 338 ARE different?!! Weird…

Here it is- please point out, 6mm, 338 and 800 yards to me. For clarity, you quoted me.

Oh and yes, my gun had issues with carbon buildup coming down from the suppressor. I guess that actually didn’t happen because you say it didn’t?! Lol!!!!! I’ll attach a couple pictures for your approval. That piece of carbon came out of the chamber. Yes less than 300 rounds and with a .003” shoulder bump that will absolutely create issues. Somewhere I have a picture of a fired round that the shoulder was dented from carbon in the chamber which was coming from the suppressor.

And as I stated in that thread, if 300 rounds of carbon from shooting causes an issue, you have way too tight a chamber/throating issues/need to FL size cases/etc. I never said it didn’t happen to you, I stated why it happened and that it’s an issue. I personally shoot somewhere between 40,000 and 60,000 rounds a year in suppressed rifles. I see way more than that. I am not guessing as to whether someone can shoot 300 rounds without issues.

All this to say I’m not an expert, and NEVER claimed to be. I spend a lot of time hunting, shooting, hiking, and being outdoors, been doing it for a really long time. I have my experiences that shape my beliefs.

Ok ! Sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

I want information, it is why I read the forums. How many rounds do you have on your two HD LHT’s? Have you done any drops to check zero retention? Have you had to adjust even a single click in zero since you’ve owned them?


You still haven’t answered the question that you originally responded to. You have an issue with what I wrote, and that apparently I am a know it all, so I am asking for the fourth time- what is your experience with Accubonds in 6.5 and 30 cal in animals?

 

[realunlucky]

I’m looking forward to 762 and UCS and 35whelen showing up to shoot and put their money where their keyboard is. Gonna be good. Rokslide Rendezvous!

I'll say I just got back from a trip where a vortex lht rode several days in the truck and amazingly still worked as a aiming device when I needed to pull the trigger. I put a smiley sticker on it to help remember that one time I got super lucky.

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[sndmn11]

I put a smiley sticker on it to help remember that one time I got super lucky.

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So you be a changing your name then?!?!?...

 

[carsonkeys]

Anyone not like the weight of their T3x in harder hitting cartridges ? My 7 rem mag is straight up unpleasant to shoot to the point where I start flinching and loose confidence . My 6.5 man bun that’s a pound heavier in the Bergaras a breeze . Really really don’t want to brake it ? Anyone add weight with any success ? Not opposed to an aftermarket stock but don’t need to spend 500 dollars for one either . 200 range sounds fair . Have a limbsaver on it already . Trying to love it but wonder if I shouldn’t just cut my losses !


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I bought a 30-06 T3X a few years ago, got excited and put 2 or 3 boxes through it at the range. Beat the piss out of my shoulder but didn't think much of it.

Went on a few different hunts that year and whiffed on more shots than I care to mention. The one that stick out (hurts) most was 97 yard prone shot on a speed goat that was pushing +85". I was frustrated and blamed everything under the sun but myself.

Thanksgiving rolled around and I found myself in a comfy box blind staring at a pig at ~110 yards and whiffed it, hard. Later, some does rolled in and I decided to practice dry fire. My very first "shot" I simultaneously jerked the trigger, braced my core, and shut both of my eyes.

Put it in the safe that night, kicked myself for not listening to @Formidilosus advice to buy a T3 in 6.5CM, and bought the first one I could find. The -06 hasn't seen sunlight except for chronoing with a suppressor. After digging myself out of that self-inflicted hole, I (and everyone else who has shot the rifle) have since made first round impacts, in the vitals, every time, at various distances (400 and in, so far).

If you haven't developed them already, you're on a path that leads to bad habits. I would jump ship for a while and drill your fundamentals with caliber that doesn't scare you. If, later on, you feel the need for more gun the fundamentals will always transfer over and you'll be better off for it.

 

[35WhelenAI]

carsonkeys, that's a really good post in general. It's nonnegotiable to develop good habits early on as a shooter and also to be able to realize when one has developed habits based on a particular firearm no matter how long a person has been shooting.

As a fallible human I push what I feel should be the way to do something, even when there is palpable evidence that it's not always true. Kind of the old stick with it long enough and it'll work out. That's also a loose definition of insanity. In shooting I need to understand when I speak, it is a reality different rifles and different folks get along well or don't get along well and that's OK.

Much better to have a fellow hunter in the field feeling comfortable and confident than not comfortable or confident and also probably in the back of their mind not enjoying it as much.

 

[roosiebull]

You know, I've adopted a new strategy on these forums where often times really really bad info persists.
I find the guys that constantly post the dumbest stuff, refuse to admit they don't know as much as they think they know, and I ignore their A$$es.
Give it a try it'll greatly improve your online experience my friend

Doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of forums if you create a space for yourself that cancels differing opinions?

 

[Ucsdryder]

Doesn’t that kind of defeat the purpose of forums if you create a space for yourself that cancels differing opinions?

Differing opinions is different than what he stated. Or at least that’s how I read it. This forum is FULL of differing opinions and I’ve learned a ton from differing opinions.

 

[MTMeatHunter]

Yes f***ing really . Just being honest with it . I’ve shot it Atleast 200 times . First 30 or so trying to find the load it likes . I’ve killed a Muley with it no problem . But When it comes to shooting off the bench - the 3-4 shot groups show I’m not nearly as accurate with it as the 6.5 , 22-250 , 243 ect . Originally wanted a lighter magnum for elk . Seems I got some guys panties in a wad in this thread .


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Lol. Man, I hear you. I’ve got a 7.5lb unbraked 300 win mag T3x and shooting more than five rounds from prone honestly makes me wonder if I’m damaging ligaments. I only weigh a buck fifty anyway. I shoot the rifle well and don’t have a real issue with the recoil, but anyone who says it isn’t painful is way tougher than me. Or fat? I can’t shoot it prone without bruising. Yeah yeah, I’m a soft panzy, whatever… One thing is for sure, while I can shoot it well enough I absolutely cannot shoot it in a relaxed manner. If I do, I get scoped. Tension on the rifle does not lead to better shooting, period! My buddy braked his 300 win mag T3x with a 4 port Ti pro and it bucked about the same as the rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. Sorry I don’t have an answer on what you should do, but all this is just to say that recoil from the heavy hitting Tikkas is not my idea of fun either. But boy do they work well!

 

[JeffRaines]

I’m gonna go with either brake it or get rid of it and size down.

All the fluff about “just deal with” works until you end up with a massive flinch, and make no mistake if you’re prone to do it now it will get worse. No amount of shooting something that isn’t fun to shoot is going to make you suddenly enjoy it. Going into the field with a rifle you shoot a couple times a year is a recipe for missed shots - or worse - gut shots.

If you end up braking it, trust me when I say you’ll actually enjoy shooting the thing to the point you’ll hate to put it away… and while we can sit here and argue that “shooting other guns will also keep your marksmanship up”, there is, in my opinion and experience, a big difference between shooting two guns and practicing(pain free) with the rifle you actually hunt with.

 

[MightyMatt]

I’m gonna go with either brake it or get rid of it and size down.

All the fluff about “just deal with” works until you end up with a massive flinch, and make no mistake if you’re prone to do it now it will get worse. No amount of shooting something that isn’t fun to shoot is going to make you suddenly enjoy it. Going into the field with a rifle you shoot a couple times a year is a recipe for missed shots - or worse - gut shots.

If you end up braking it, trust me when I say you’ll actually enjoy shooting the thing to the point you’ll hate to put it away… and while we can sit here and argue that “shooting other guns will also keep your marksmanship up”, there is, in my opinion and experience, a big difference between shooting two guns and practicing(pain free) with the rifle you actually hunt with.

I have a Remington 700 BDL Stainless 7mm mag I would trade for the Tikka if it's Stainless also. The Remington is definitely heavier and would solve the recoil issue with the lite rifle.

 

[MightyMatt]

I threw a Termination T2 on my current Tikka 7mm mag and it's an absolute tack driver. Everyone that has shot mine wants it in a bad way including my dad and I wouldn't mind building him one just the same.

 

[Macintosh]

I didn’t read page 2 through six, but I’ll say that when I shot a lot of shotguns I learned pretty quickly that recoil is no fun, recoil is cumulative, and recoil absolutely affects how I shoot. Unless you have another rifle that is exactly the same, right down to the scope, that’s in a very comfortable to shoot caliber, I wouldn’t want to own a primary hunting rifle that sucked to shoot. For what it’s worth, someone on the first page suggested decoy weights. I used silicone to glue almost 3 pounds of decoy weights inside the plastic stock on my CTR, you may not need that much but you’d be able to play with balance as well as add weight. That will help with recoil a lot. And it’s practically free, maybe worth a try?

 

[Idaho4x4Bronco]

I didn’t read page 2 through six, but I’ll say that when I shot a lot of shotguns I learned pretty quickly that recoil is no fun, recoil is cumulative, and recoil absolutely affects how I shoot. Unless you have another rifle that is exactly the same, right down to the scope, that’s in a very comfortable to shoot caliber, I wouldn’t want to own a primary hunting rifle that sucked to shoot. For what it’s worth, someone on the first page suggested decoy weights. I used silicone to glue almost 3 pounds of decoy weights inside the plastic stock on my CTR, you may not need that much but you’d be able to play with balance as well as add weight. That will help with recoil a lot. And it’s practically free, maybe worth a try?

Either I'm too fat and big, or yall need to lift weights and put some weight on. Unless you're at a range all day, recoil shouldn't never be much issue. MTFU honestly.