Tikka actions vs Custom Actions

[wind gypsy]

Are the aftermarket triggers as sound as a say a TT for a 700

Good question. I haven’t used many of the aftermarket triggers but now there are TT and Bix options available. Only one I’ve used is KRG Midas, so far so good with that one.

 

[V00D00]

What is high performance about a R700 action? Genuine question.

This. Absolutely nothing. By the time I had my 700 action blueprinted, bolt face trued, and extractor converted to a sako style extractor, you would be a fool to purposely build on a 700 platform vs a tikka who has much better machining tolerances, a great extractor, a true bolt face, and much smoother bolt out of the box. I own both. Love both. But got way more money in one vs the other.

 

[JohnJohnson]

This. Absolutely nothing. By the time I had my 700 action blueprinted, bolt face trued, and extractor converted to a sako style extractor, you would be a fool to purposely build on a 700 platform vs a tikka who has much better machining tolerances, a great extractor, a true bolt face, and much smoother bolt out of the box. I own both. Love both. But got way more money in one vs the other.

To be fair, he was replying to me and I was talking about R700 custom clones. Not factory R700 actions. Though my first custom build was on a trued R700 and I still have the barreled action laying around.

Good question. I haven’t used many of the aftermarket triggers but now there are TT and Bix options available. Only one I’ve used is KRG Midas, so far so good with that one.

It's kind of weird to me that the TT for the Tikka is a single stage. I wasn't aware that there were people complaining about the Tikka's existing single stage trigger. I got a KRG Midas because it seems to be the best two-stage right now for Tikkas but I do wonder if BnA and/or TT will make a two-stage for Tikkas.

 

[wind gypsy]

Not sure if there is something that makes this difficult but a custom with m700 “foot print” but tikka/sako trigger/ignition setup, impact tennon sounds like Goldilocks to me. Especially now that there are aftermarket tikka triggers available.

 

[Timberline001]

So lighter bolt lift, lighter triggers, and some chassis? Not many people relatively are using AW mags.

A chassis doesn’t make an action high performance- that’s a chassis or stock. There are quite a few very light tiggers available for Tikka’s, and yet still- a light trigger doesn’t make an action high performance. It’s a trigger and there are bench rest triggers available for Tikkas.

Light bolt lift primarily comes from very light firing pin springs. 90° bolt lifts with full power firing pin springs have heavy bolt lift. You can put a lighter firing pin spring in almost any action and reduce the bolt lift weight.




See this is what it actually is- “there must be some reason why every one uses them”. The factual, objective reality of why R700 patterns are used is not based on performance. They are worse at almost every single metric when “vibes and feels” are taken out of it.

They are not more accurate.
They are not more reliable.
They do not cycle better.
They do not feed better.

It’s only people that are indoctrinated in this world that believe they are better. You take anyone that doesn’t know anything about it and haven’t shot before, line up custom 700’s, Sauers, Tikka’s, Sako’s, etc. all setup the same side by side and have those people start using them- not one thinks the custom 700’s are “better”. The most common refrain from them when using the R700’s is “what’s wrong with this thing?”.
I am not a lover of Tikka’s and I don’t hate custom 700’s. It is ridiculous that no American company can even match a Finnish $700 rifle. But the reality is there is nothing better about R700’s. It is a near mass psychosis.

If you don’t love tikkas I’m curious what’s better? Is there a better action option for a dedicated NRL hunter light rifle in your opinion?

 

[wind gypsy]

It's kind of weird to me that the TT for the Tikka is a single stage. I wasn't aware that there were people complaining about the Tikka's existing single stage trigger. I got a KRG Midas because it seems to be the best two-stage right now for Tikkas but I do wonder if BnA and/or TT will make a two-stage for Tikkas.

Doesn’t bix already make a two stage?

There’s this one too, I’m intrigued but prob won’t splurge for one any time soon. https://sidhe.it/en/production/rifle-components/triggers/tk-performance

 

[JohnJohnson]

Doesn’t bix already make a two stage?

I don't think so. At least my search just now didn't find one. If BnA made a Tacsport Pro-X two stage for Tikkas I'd 100% try it out.

 

[Mik123]

Good question. I haven’t used many of the aftermarket triggers but now there are TT and Bix options available. Only one I’ve used is KRG Midas, so far so good with that one.

There's also sidhe triggers. I've bought one for an upcoming build. It's scary light.

 

[Xycod]

The irony of speaking to authority and history that you don’t understand.




The “awesome” R700’s that you speak to… you mean those rifles where the rifle firing when the bolt was closed or safety taken off was common enough that it was mandatory at the school house to put a rubber band around the scope and and the bolt handle to keep it up and open, and around the wrist of the stock behind the safety… so it didn’t fire without the trigger being touched? Or, is it where SOP for everyone was to carry a bottle of lighter fluid on their kit to flush their triggers multiple times a day?


Where do you believe the “bolt back while moving” rule when moving (even 6”) in PRS came from? Where do you think the “have to be aimed at the target before closing the bolt slowly” in PRS came from?


No one loves an M24 (or M40A1) more than I. But it is absolute falsehood that they didn’t have the exact same issues being discussed here.





Yes- the TRG and T3 are both good performing actions. I don’t care whether something was designed for “budget”- I care that

Again with the triggers, yet no many seem to have issue with current custom rifles using the same box/cassette triggers, CO’s like defiance, bat, older Nesika, Dakota 97’s, platform is fine and easy to get performance out of with little work, it’s generally an easy fix with multiple aftermarket triggers that work and work well, yet you still ignore the crap recoil notch cut in the tikka for a bedding system, again large calibers in wood/plastic stocks have been issues and beretta is/was aware of it. What’s cheaper a trigger swap or installing a recoil lug. I get it, you like tikka but making assumptions how they’re better than many proven customs with contracts needs evidence.


For me a simple 700 recoil lug instantly makes the tikka better, it’s still limited by using an 06 length action for everything long or short, not a true short action and not long enough for the big stuff. I like simple and things that work as well, tikka works, but so does a lot of others. And agree, I also don’t care if it’s budget or so called premium, if it works it works.

Cheers

 

[wind gypsy]

There's also sidhe triggers. I've bought one for an upcoming build. It's scary light.

They seem very light and competition focus, not sure if they are appropriate for a field gun?

 

[Mik123]

They seem very light and competition focus, not sure if they are appropriate for a field gun?

I agree, I've only played with mine briefly but it's too light for the field.