The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[Ryan Avery]

I think if you start with the white rivers in backwards the ES gets better.

 

[JDMBEND]

I think if you start with the white rivers in backwards the ES gets better.

Thanks for the hot tip. I will give it a try.

 

[Stocky]

I think if you start with the white rivers in backwards the ES gets better.

0 FPS ES. 0 FPS SD. 0 FPS MV. Match grade consistency

 

[Bluumoon]

We are gonna do a clean vs dirty reloading showdown.

I’ve got so many dirty cases stuck at this point I’m gonna have to start tumbling them again.

 

[nm.otter]

Thanks for the hot tip...

...potentially very hot.

 

[Wiscgunner]

I like the simple built in priming feature on my Forster Coax. seats them the exact same ever time. With fresh ammo, single digit SD is easy to achieve. I see no reason to buy a different priming tool unless it is drastically faster and I have the Forster flowing pretty good so...

 

[mtnbound]

We are gonna do a clean vs dirty reloading showdown.

I'll be happy to provide some dirty brass for the showdown.

 

[mtnbound]

In the Powder and Primers episode, Jake and Ryan mentioned some different primer seating tools at the end. I'll accept the premise that a tool which allows the user to set the depth and come to a hard stop is going to be more consistent than one that requires on hand pressure (like the Lee AutoPrime I have used for the past 30 years). So, I think it is probably worth upgrading that part of my setup. I personally don't reload enough to justify the gold-plated Cadillac of priming tools, but it looks phenomonal.

They listed a couple of options at different price points.

The very expensive option ($695, before adding shell holders and accessories): https://primalrights.com/usa/product/products/priming-equipment/cps

A budget option ($185 with one shellholder, $16.50 for each additional shellholder): https://21stcenturyinnovation.com/b...k-head-bench-rest-priming-tool/v/1206-GIII-01

Another budget option ($120, plus $20 per shell holder): https://www.brownells.com/reloading...ng-tools/sinclair-priming-tool/?sku=749007603

My thoughts on the two "budget" options are summed up pretty well in this review of the Sinclair:
View attachment 1004363

They didn't mention anything cheaper than that, but I am curious about one cheaper option, mostly because it is a lot cheaper and has a tray so I wouldn't have to put in each primer individually (FML). Has anyone used this?

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/reloading-tools/priming-tools/platinum-series-perfect-seat-hand-primer/?recommendedIdList=2230193068903

Is there some other option I am missing that has a primer feed?

The only reason I stopped using a hand primer was that I bought a progressive press. It does give a very positive stop, but I have never seen any improvement over the hand primer in accuracy.

 

[mtnbound]

The primer info fell a bit short. Jake said CCI didn't offer Match primers, but later referenced the Benchrest primers. No info on the new White River primers? Also, no discussion on small rifle primer selection which could be beneficial for new reloaders, especially with the 223 popularity here. In short, go CCI as those 205's are SOFT. Love me some CCI 450's too.

If I do upgrade my priming setup (RCBS universal hand, but I also have the FA Platinum) I'd take a hard look at the new Hornady bench primer system.

I am not a chaser of needing low ES/SD, but I saw some big enough swings that made me stop using the White River primers. To be fair, I only tried them in 223.

 

[Formidilosus]

I’ve got so many dirty cases stuck at this point I’m gonna have to start tumbling them again.

Bruh…..

 

[Dobermann]

We are gonna do a clean vs dirty reloading showdown.

Knowing next to nothing about reloading, I'd love to see a 'fast and easy' vs 'slow and/or hard' showdown (or breakdown) - and, as @atmat mentioned above, what equipment allows this ... in other words, what's a good basic setup, but that is as consistent, fast, and least mucking around as possible? Something that applies engineering to what could otherwise be screwed up, or take a long time, but doesn't overdo stuff that doesn't.

Another way to put it would be 'What set up allows for the fastest reloading output with acceptable results'. Or 'What is the reloading set-up for people who don't want to spend a lot of time reloading ... hope that makes sense.

From a very distant vantage point, reloading seems to be something where either people are given a giant list of very expensive things to buy, or told to go with something basic, only to then decide they need something better and faster. Would be great to have a '101' for this.

 

[Castle Rock]

Knowing next to nothing about reloading, I'd love to see a 'fast and easy' vs 'slow and/or hard' showdown (or breakdown) - and, as @atmat mentioned above, what equipment allows this ... in other words, what's a good basic setup, but that is as consistent, fast, and least mucking around as possible? Something that applies engineering to what could otherwise be screwed up, or take a long time, but doesn't overdo stuff that doesn't.

Another way to put it would be 'What set up allows for the fastest reloading output with acceptable results'. Or 'What is the reloading set-up for people who don't want to spend a lot of time reloading ... hope that makes sense.

From a very distant vantage point, reloading seems to be something where either people are given a giant list of very expensive things to buy, or told to go with something basic, only to then decide they need something better and faster. Would be great to have a '101' for this.

Form is just playing mind games with Ryan, he does that.

 

[Castle Rock]

In the Powder and Primers episode, Jake and Ryan mentioned some different primer seating tools at the end. I'll accept the premise that a tool which allows the user to set the depth and come to a hard stop is going to be more consistent than one that requires on hand pressure (like the Lee AutoPrime I have used for the past 30 years). So, I think it is probably worth upgrading that part of my setup. I personally don't reload enough to justify the gold-plated Cadillac of priming tools, but it looks phenomonal.

They listed a couple of options at different price points.

The very expensive option ($695, before adding shell holders and accessories): https://primalrights.com/usa/product/products/priming-equipment/cps

A budget option ($185 with one shellholder, $16.50 for each additional shellholder): https://21stcenturyinnovation.com/b...k-head-bench-rest-priming-tool/v/1206-GIII-01

Another budget option ($120, plus $20 per shell holder): https://www.brownells.com/reloading...ng-tools/sinclair-priming-tool/?sku=749007603

My thoughts on the two "budget" options are summed up pretty well in this review of the Sinclair:
View attachment 1004363

They didn't mention anything cheaper than that, but I am curious about one cheaper option, mostly because it is a lot cheaper and has a tray so I wouldn't have to put in each primer individually (FML). Has anyone used this?

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/reloading-tools/priming-tools/platinum-series-perfect-seat-hand-primer/?recommendedIdList=2230193068903

Is there some other option I am missing that has a primer feed?

Seating primers to a pre determined depth is counterintuitive, they need to be seated to the bottom of the pocket to be most effective.

The primer info fell a bit short. Jake said CCI didn't offer Match primers, but later referenced the Benchrest primers. No info on the new White River primers? Also, no discussion on small rifle primer selection which could be beneficial for new reloaders, especially with the 223 popularity here. In short, go CCI as those 205's are SOFT. Love me some CCI 450's too.

If I do upgrade my priming setup (RCBS universal hand, but I also have the FA Platinum) I'd take a hard look at the new Hornady bench primer system.

I regularly cringe when Jake speaks, such a lovely voice,but….

In my opinion there is no better small primer than the REM 7.5
Jury is out on large, most are great but WR have a bad reputation locally.

 

[slatebuilder]

In the Powder and Primers episode, Jake and Ryan mentioned some different primer seating tools at the end. I'll accept the premise that a tool which allows the user to set the depth and come to a hard stop is going to be more consistent than one that requires on hand pressure (like the Lee AutoPrime I have used for the past 30 years). So, I think it is probably worth upgrading that part of my setup. I personally don't reload enough to justify the gold-plated Cadillac of priming tools, but it looks phenomonal.

They listed a couple of options at different price points.

The very expensive option ($695, before adding shell holders and accessories): https://primalrights.com/usa/product/products/priming-equipment/cps

A budget option ($185 with one shellholder, $16.50 for each additional shellholder): https://21stcenturyinnovation.com/b...k-head-bench-rest-priming-tool/v/1206-GIII-01

Another budget option ($120, plus $20 per shell holder): https://www.brownells.com/reloading...ng-tools/sinclair-priming-tool/?sku=749007603

My thoughts on the two "budget" options are summed up pretty well in this review of the Sinclair:
View attachment 1004363

They didn't mention anything cheaper than that, but I am curious about one cheaper option, mostly because it is a lot cheaper and has a tray so I wouldn't have to put in each primer individually (FML). Has anyone used this?

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/reloading-tools/priming-tools/platinum-series-perfect-seat-hand-primer/?recommendedIdList=2230193068903

Is there some other option I am missing that has a primer feed?

In the Powder and Primers episode, Jake and Ryan mentioned some different primer seating tools at the end. I'll accept the premise that a tool which allows the user to set the depth and come to a hard stop is going to be more consistent than one that requires on hand pressure (like the Lee AutoPrime I have used for the past 30 years). So, I think it is probably worth upgrading that part of my setup. I personally don't reload enough to justify the gold-plated Cadillac of priming tools, but it looks phenomonal.

They listed a couple of options at different price points.

The very expensive option ($695, before adding shell holders and accessories): https://primalrights.com/usa/product/products/priming-equipment/cps

A budget option ($185 with one shellholder, $16.50 for each additional shellholder): https://21stcenturyinnovation.com/b...k-head-bench-rest-priming-tool/v/1206-GIII-01

Another budget option ($120, plus $20 per shell holder): https://www.brownells.com/reloading...ng-tools/sinclair-priming-tool/?sku=749007603

My thoughts on the two "budget" options are summed up pretty well in this review of the Sinclair:
View attachment 1004363

They didn't mention anything cheaper than that, but I am curious about one cheaper option, mostly because it is a lot cheaper and has a tray so I wouldn't have to put in each primer individually (FML). Has anyone used this?

https://www.brownells.com/reloading/reloading-tools/priming-tools/platinum-series-perfect-seat-hand-primer/?recommendedIdList=2230193068903

Is there some other option I am missing that has a primer feed?

Frankford Arsenal makes a nice hand priming tool if you are looking.

 

[bpitcher]

Frankford Arsenal makes a nice hand priming tool if you are looking.

+1 on the Frankford Arsenal.

I switched last year after having trouble with the Hornady hand tool seating primers all the way into tight Alpha brass.

 

[Lawnboi]

Best takeaway from the last podcast, DONT give Larry any more money

 

[swavescatter]

Best takeaway from the last podcast, DONT give Larry any more money

Sometimes they have the best price and they do ship fast and free over $99. I use them strategically but shop around. I have no good local source therefore no loyalty.

 

[Nine Banger]

Frankford Arsenal makes a nice hand priming tool if you are looking.

This has been the best one for me of this type of tool. I have the Frankford, Hornady and RCBS. Over time I've been leaving the Frankford set up for 223 and the RCBS set up for rifle primers.

I picked up one of these a few months ago and finally set it up for the last 200 or so brass I prepped and like it a lot. Seems overcomplicated but you can move just as fast with it and get a better seat with no squeezing. It looks and feels overcomplicated but was intuitive to set it up and use it once I got into it.

DERRACO ENGINEERING Poorman's PCPS-LITE Precision​

 

[wind gypsy]

Best takeaway from the last podcast, DONT give Larry any more money

Why?

 

[Brazo264]

Why?

Price gouging and double the price on certain primers compared to other vendors.