The Shoot2hunt Podcast

[mxgsfmdpx]

Any issues with closer range shots? Like Fuds talk about them just grenading at closer range?

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Not in the slightest. I’ve killed with 77, 95, and 130 all under 50 yards with multiple big game kills each. They do their thing.

 

[B_Reynolds_AK]

The jacket right at the nose is slightly thicker on the 147gr, and the longer, sleeker nose exaggerates the issue when the tip breaks off blocking nose opening.

This tracks along with how you state that there are always tradeoffs, ie. chasing the highest B.C. bullet for a chosen caliber will lead to a projectile with a long, skinny, nose that contributes to a high B.C., yet those same characteristics do not lend to low impact velocity expansion & the wound channels that most are looking for.

The TMK’s excellent terminal ballistics, ie wider nose and larger hollow point, will never allow it to match the same B.C. as an ELD-M or Match Burner.

Is this a correct summation?

 

[Hondo64d]

This tracks along with how you state that there are always tradeoffs, ie. chasing the highest B.C. bullet for a chosen caliber will lead to a projectile with a long, skinny, nose that contributes to a high B.C., yet those same characteristics do not lend to low impact velocity expansion & the wound channels that most are looking for.

The TMK’s excellent terminal ballistics, ie wider nose and larger hollow point, will never allow it to match the same B.C. as an ELD-M or Match Burner.

Is this a correct summation?

In .308 diameter, the 168gr TMK has a higher BC than the same weight ELD-m. The 175gr TMK is ever so slightly beat by the 178gr ELD-m and a little more so by the 178gr ELD-x, but so close as to not making any significant difference. Haven’t compared the 6.5 TMKs to the ELDs. Here’s what a 168gr TMK does at 410 yards when launched from a .308.

John

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[Formidilosus]

This tracks along with how you state that there are always tradeoffs, ie. chasing the highest B.C. bullet for a chosen caliber will lead to a projectile with a long, skinny, nose that contributes to a high B.C., yet those same characteristics do not lend to low impact velocity expansion & the wound channels that most are looking for.

The TMK’s excellent terminal ballistics, ie wider nose and larger hollow point, will never allow it to match the same B.C. as an ELD-M or Match Burner.

Is this a correct summation?

That is correct as far as trends go.

 

[Formidilosus]

In .308 diameter, the 168gr TMK has a higher BC than the same weight ELD-m. The 175gr TMK is ever so slightly beat by the 178gr ELD-m and a little more so by the 178gr ELD-x, but so close as to not making any significant difference. Haven’t compared the 6.5 TMKs to the ELDs. Here’s what a 168gr TMK does at 410 yards when launched from a .308.

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That’s right, however a 160-180gr is not nearly a high form factor bullet for .308’s. All have a relatively short, blunt nose compared to a 6.5mm 147gr.

 

[Hondo64d]

That’s right, however a 160-180gr is not nearly a high form factor bullet for .308’s. All have a relatively short, blunt nose compared to a 6.5mm 147gr.

Agreed. The 174gr ELD-VT has a remarkably good form factor for that weight class of .308 bullet, with .907, but still doesn’t hold a candle to the 140 or 147 ELDs with their form factor of .880 and .858 respectively. Have you tried the 174s on critters yet? I have not.

John

 

[Formidilosus]

Agreed. The 174gr ELD-VT has a remarkably good form factor for that weight class of .308 bullet, with .907, but still doesn’t hold a candle to the 140 or 147 ELDs with their form factor of .880 and .858 respectively. Have you tried the 174s on critters yet? I have not.

John

Not personally, though I’ve seen some wounds, and gel. It seems- maybe, that it is something more akin to the old 178gr AMAX. If that holds, it will be very effective.

 

[nm.otter]

The 174gr ELD-VT has a remarkably good form factor for that weight class of .308 bullet, with .907, but still doesn’t hold a candle to the 140 or 147 ELDs with their form factor of .880 and .858 respectively.

What form factor is this? Too high for G1 BCs.

 

[Hondo64d]

What form factor is this? Too high for G1 BCs.

I’m paraphrasing from memory so may not be defining it precisely, but according to Litz, form factor is a measure of bullet shape and its resistance to drag irrespective of its weight. The lower the number, the more slippery the bullet is. Berger list form factor for its products but it can be calculated for other bullets by dividing a bullet’s sectional density by its G7 ballistic coefficient.

John

 

[Ryan Avery]

So did I miss something? I’ve always heard that eldms operating fps is 1800 fps +? On the most recent podcast @Ryan Avery talks about having bullets “pencil through” at 1950 fps with the 180s in a 7mm prc?!

Form warned me about the Eldms, but I haven't seen it firsthand. The only other animal I've shot at sub-2000 FPS with eldms was a bull elk, which I took down with a 147 eldm, and it worked as usual. This experience only reinforces my love for the 6UM.

I wasn't planning to shoot the 7PRC that day — nor at that distance, although I had validated it up to 1200 yards the day before. I had taken my son-in-law out to shoot a doe, but I went to a spot where I had seen a big buck the week before. As luck would have it, I spotted that buck chasing a doe and moving toward the timber. I tried to get my son-in-law on the buck, but he couldn't find it in the scope. I told him to switch to the spotter.

I hit the buck with five out of six shots, only spotting one hit, VERY frustrating. My son-in-law said I was shooting high, but I was actually shooting through him. Lesson learned: only hunt with a 6UM when big animals are on the table!

 

[grfox92]

Form warned me about the Eldms, but I haven't seen it firsthand. The only other animal I've shot at sub-2000 FPS with eldms was a bull elk, which I took down with a 147 eldm, and it worked as usual. This experience only reinforces my love for the 6UM.

I wasn't planning to shoot the 7PRC that day — nor at that distance, although I had validated it up to 1200 yards the day before. I had taken my son-in-law out to shoot a doe, but I went to a spot where I had seen a big buck the week before. As luck would have it, I spotted that buck chasing a doe and moving toward the timber. I tried to get my son-in-law on the buck, but he couldn't find it in the scope. I told him to switch to the spotter.

I hit the buck with five out of six shots only spotting one hit. My son-in-law said I was shooting high, but I was actually shooting through him. Lesson learned: only hunt with a 6UM when big animals are on the table!

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Is that the new Gunwerks?

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[Ryan Avery]

Is that the new Gunwerks?

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Yes

 

[Pistolpete28]

Form warned me about the Eldms, but I haven't seen it firsthand. The only other animal I've shot at sub-2000 FPS with eldms was a bull elk, which I took down with a 147 eldm, and it worked as usual. This experience only reinforces my love for the 6UM.

I wasn't planning to shoot the 7PRC that day — nor at that distance, although I had validated it up to 1200 yards the day before. I had taken my son-in-law out to shoot a doe, but I went to a spot where I had seen a big buck the week before. As luck would have it, I spotted that buck chasing a doe and moving toward the timber. I tried to get my son-in-law on the buck, but he couldn't find it in the scope. I told him to switch to the spotter.

I hit the buck with five out of six shots, only spotting one hit, VERY frustrating. My son-in-law said I was shooting high, but I was actually shooting through him. Lesson learned: only hunt with a 6UM when big animals are on the table!

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Congratulations on a stud whitetail, I went from a 28 nos to a 6.5 creed. The next gun will definitely be a fast 6mm.

 

[NWBLKTAIL]

Form warned me about the Eldms, but I haven't seen it firsthand. The only other animal I've shot at sub-2000 FPS with eldms was a bull elk, which I took down with a 147 eldm, and it worked as usual. This experience only reinforces my love for the 6UM.

I wasn't planning to shoot the 7PRC that day — nor at that distance, although I had validated it up to 1200 yards the day before. I had taken my son-in-law out to shoot a doe, but I went to a spot where I had seen a big buck the week before. As luck would have it, I spotted that buck chasing a doe and moving toward the timber. I tried to get my son-in-law on the buck, but he couldn't find it in the scope. I told him to switch to the spotter.

I hit the buck with five out of six shots, only spotting one hit, VERY frustrating. My son-in-law said I was shooting high, but I was actually shooting through him. Lesson learned: only hunt with a 6UM when big animals are on the table!

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that’s a good one

Is that rifle nose heavy with the back cut out like that?

 

[Brap01]

Wild looking rifle, nice buck!

 

[mxgsfmdpx]

So did I miss something? I’ve always heard that eldms operating fps is 1800 fps +? On the most recent podcast @Ryan Avery talks about having bullets “pencil through” at 1950 fps with the 180s in a 7mm prc?!

I’ve seen multiple instances of 147 and 88 Ms create very narrow wounds on deer and elk. It’s not common, but does happen. You’ll notice splash behind the animal which can look like a high or low miss.