The Rokslide Stock Traders Thread

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No problem.
FWIW, Return doesn't always tell the story. The stock or fund or ETF that had a good return last year....might not always be the best choice this year.

In regards to these ETF's I look at long term performance...or how they performed in a certain time period.

When I talk about concentration, here are a couple screen shots illustrating that point. You can easily search this info on your brokerage site. Schwab> Research> ETF's> Categories> Tech

VGT is concentrated, the top 10 holding are 58% of the entire fund [which has worked out well]
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Another ETF QTEC- is less concentrated with 26% in the top 10 holdings. Notice that no one company is more than 4% of the total fund.
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Now QTEC has slightly underperformed VGT but Personally I would sacrifice a couple percentage points for the added diversification. I think the best strategy is to split up your Tech allocation 50/50 between the two.

I would use the same strategy with S&P ETFs balancing Diversification with performance.

Again, this is your guys stuff with long time horizons...older guys like myself should still have a % in Tech for the performance factor...but more of a traditional balance of fixed and equities for the stability.

This investing is not rocket science, it's easy using a couple basic rules. many of the investment planners are salesmen, plugging your money into their companies investment model which are usually very conservative and take into account they don't want to get sued for any advice outside the old line advice.

Some of these programs might work well for some....but compare these ETF returns than decide if its for you.
 
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VOO 10 year return is not even Close to the Tech sector ETF's.

Look S&P index stuff is good and I think it should be a part of an investment portfolio. The advantage you have in the S&P index stuff is the powers that be are constantly adjusting it- dumping the losers and adding winners...which is what you want. The S&P is a big part tech already.

Young guy advice;
Investing is all about return AND managing risk. buying individual stocks- like the penny stocks discussed here is SUPER high risk thats why for every one guy making money 25 have lost. Thats a one step forward, 2 steps back strategy- AND you have to pay tax when you sell- beentheredonethat.

You don't have to buy bonds to manage risk. You can manage risk by 1) Dollar cost averaging and 2) having a long time frame [like 20yrs] and 3) spread the money out in a few ETF's.
I don't like putting money in low return stuff to "Manage risk" unless you are near retirement and need the money soon.

I tell my kids and guys that work for me with a long term time horizon; Split it up into 3-5 ETFs but put a chunk in Tech ETFs. VGT, XLK, FTEC are all 5 star rated by Morningstar. Keep in mind VGT is a bit concentrated with 30% or more in the top 10 companies....I would recommend splitting it up, some in that...and some in a tech ETF that is less concentrated [look up their holdings, pick one concentrated and one with the top holdings no more than 5%]
Then do the same with S&P etf's- concentrated and non concentrated. Plug money in there quarterly and forget it.

Run the numbers; at 19% return you double your money every 4 years. $10,000 in 20 years is over $160,000. ...then in 30 years-BAM. When broad market Tech ETF's are doing that....why mess with individual stocks? Plus ETF's are good tax wise building tax deferred.

The Tech ETF's weren't available when I was younger.....

Of course there is never a guarantee....but you invest in what will work in the future. My bet is tech will be more and more of our lives as time goes by....a pretty good bet.
Thanks.
About 80% of my retirement is in SP500 trackers and blue chip stocks. Of that, the vast majority is in SP500 trackers and I have been looking for a way to spread that out a little. This gives me another one to look at.
 
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We've had ours 100% in the Vanguard Institutional Index Fund for the last ten years, through TIAA. Net expense ratio of .02%, and its ten year average return rate has been 13.37%, including deposits and withdrawals. We've been pretty happy with it - retired about three years ago and average annual return has been 11.89% over that period, even with us withdrawing about 3.4% a year.
 

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Are you holding just MSTR, calls or both?


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I wish I was smart enough to do all that, I'd be a very wealthy man. I bought mstr long ago at a good bottom. When everything was crashing and blood was in the streets I backed the truck up and loaded up. I also hold bitcoin long term. I'm not the smartest at this, I just have patience, conviction and foresight.
Are you holding just MSTR, calls or both?


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I wish I was smart enough to do all that, I'd be a very wealthy man. I bought mstr long ago at a good bottom. When everything was crashing and blood was in the streets I backed the truck up and loaded up. I also hold bitcoin long term. I'm not the smartest at this, I just have patience, conviction and foresight.

I’m on the BTC train also. I also have some into BTC futures, which was very strong earlier this year, looking for another good push as we close out the year. I’m back and forth between MSTR and Tesla, I have a little of Tesla. MSTR is up 7% today so might wait for a cool down.


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Nice. I'm a little light in tesla. It's a great long term stock I think. Bitcoin has been first priority tho
 

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One good reason to be 100% in bitcoin
 

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Another good reason to be 100% bitcoin
 

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Bankrate shows the price history of bitcoin since its first trades in 2009. Back in September of 2010, you could have bought a bitcoin for a dime! So if you bought 1000 bitcoins for a hundred bucks, you'd have over 60 million if you sold now. What was I thinking.... =)
 

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Bankrate shows the price history of bitcoin since its first trades in 2009. Back in September of 2010, you could have bought a bitcoin for a dime! So if you bought 1000 bitcoins for a hundred bucks, you'd have over 60 million if you sold now. What was I thinking.... =)

You can always find a missed opportunity when looking back. But if you traveled backwards with no known info in the future you’d likely make all the same choices

Money like that could’ve been made on many small businesses/stock pics etc etc

The difference is, a business makes and generates revenue/income/products etc etc


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You can always find a missed opportunity when looking back. But if you traveled backwards with no known info in the future you’d likely make all the same choices

Money like that could’ve been made on many small businesses/stock pics etc etc

The difference is, a business makes and generates revenue/income/products etc etc


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You're right, of course. And just because it would have turned out phenomenally well, it doesn't make it a sensible choice. Sort of like dumping your life savings and hitting your number on a roulette wheel..
 

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I certainly wish i had the wisdom to invest like you all do. I might as well be lighting my one dollar bills end to end if i tried to invest them.
 

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What's everyone's opinion on these advance computer chip companies?? I see the government awarded Wolfspeed out of North Carolina $750M in direct funding.
 
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Been watching OKLO for a little while but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Very interesting company & tons of potential IMO. Been up as much as 34% over the past 2 days
Anyone else have any opinion?

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Been watching OKLO for a little while but haven't pulled the trigger yet.
Very interesting company & tons of potential IMO. Been up as much as 34% over the past 2 days
Anyone else have any opinion?

Oklo Inc. is a fission technology and nuclear fuel recycling company. The Company is engaged in developing fast fission power plants to provide clean and affordable energy at scale. It is developing advanced fuel recycling technologies in collaboration with the United States Department of Energy and United States National Laboratories. The Company provides 24/7 clean energy to data centers, factories, industrial sites, communities, and defense facilities. It offers heat and power through power purchase agreements. Its reactors can convert used nuclear fuel into clean energy. It produces scalable power plants ranging from 15 megawatts (MW) to 50 (MW) of electric power. It is focused on supplying clean and affordable energy to customers across the artificial intelligence, data center, energy, defense, and industrial markets, among others.

Probably why you are seeing pumps.


AI isn’t going anywhere and the energy needed for computing power is extreme. It is projected to surpass the current power consumption of what is used to secure the btc network, if it hasn’t already.

There is also all kinds of uses for small nuclear which will help provide energy as other systems begin to fall behind on capabilities or failing all together.


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