The point Creep is ridiculous

[dirtytough]

I don't know jack about those tags.

You don’t lose points for bulls if you draw a cow tag in Nevada.

 

[CHIEF CRNA]

There are monsters lurking all over the state… often times best bulls to come out of NW will be 350ish. It’s not a slam dunk for a a 380+ bull anywhere in Co. I would just got hunt a unit that has elk and the terrain you want. Heck buddy ate his tag on a unit 2 hunt last year.

Yeah tow years ago I hunted Muley's in unit 2 second season. The deer were small compared to when I used to hunt them over the counter back in the late 80's early 90's. Ended up shooting a forky. 18 points for that tag lol.

 

[roadrunner]

The simple solution is to raise the tag price for both residents and non residents to the point available tags are in balance with what folks are willing to pay.

LONG LIVE THE KING!!

You have just turned hunting into a rich man's game. Literally...

 

[Sooner]

Just do like Oklahoma. However many points you have is how many times your name gets dropped in a bucket. I have 17 Elk points right now so I'm hoping to draw before I'm 50.

 

[Ucsdryder]

5 pages of great ideas that almost all include loss of revenue for CPW. Come up with a plan where it maintains or increases revenue and you MIGHT have a chance.

 

[CorbLand]

5 pages of great ideas that almost all include loss of revenue for CPW. Come up with a plan where it maintains or increases revenue and you MIGHT have a chance.

Would be interesting to see if there is a difference in revenue between states that have preference, bonus, hybrid and random draw systems.

 

[lyingflatlander]

Hunting is already a rich mans game roadrunner. The stakes are always getting higher.

 

[Szwampdonkey]

Hunting is already a rich mans game roadrunner. The stakes are always getting higher.

Depends on what youre hunting an expectations on what you want to kill. If you want to just hunt and kill Elk and Deer without the expectation you’ll see or kill trophy class animals it’s still pretty cheap for most.

 

[Jethro]

Hunting is already a rich mans game roadrunner. The stakes are always getting higher.

Do you honestly believe that only rich folk hunt? No more $$ than many other hobbies.

 

[bergie]

Hunting is already a rich mans game roadrunner. The stakes are always getting higher.

I am far from rich and my wife says I hunt a lot.

 

[idelkslayer]

I would oppose raising prices to decrease demand. This isn't a market commodity, this is a public trust. The cost should be dictated by only the amount required to manage the public trust, i.e. funding the game dept. conservation projects, etc.

Find some other way to reduce demand. Lose points for any draw, or make hunters choose only one species to apply for. Then it is a voluntary choice to put your eggs in the basket that matters most to you instead of shotgunning applications for everything.

 

[Agross]

Just do like Oklahoma. However many points you have is how many times your name gets dropped in a bucket. I have 17 Elk points right now so I'm hoping to draw before I'm 50.

That’s how Michigan does elk. I believe this year I’ll be at 16 or 17. I would love to draw some day but odds are I probably won’t. A buddy of mine drew his second year putting in.

 

[bergie]

I put in for a certain tag in a random state that has 2% odds. I realize I may never draw and thats ok. I have a non zero chance every year and I am not chasing some 25 year goal that will never happen because I didn't start buying points in the 90s. I also buy points in other states for a 'someday' hunt and plan to burn them on non premium, 400" bulls behind each bush units. Both options are ok, but if I could wave a magic wand all points would disappear and rates in those states would raise to cover the revenue loss of the point system disappearing.

 

[ND_Hooligan]

LONG LIVE THE KING!!

You have just turned hunting into a rich man's game. Literally...

Just do like Oklahoma. However many points you have is how many times your name gets dropped in a bucket. I have 17 Elk points right now so I'm hoping to draw before I'm 50.

That would be a what I consider a bonus point system rather than a preference point system. Some states square your entries based on the amount of points you have and some don't. I personally wish all states had a bonus point system so that no matter how far you were behind maximum points you would still have a chance to draw, even if it was a tiny chance. As it stands in many states with a true preference point system, if you don't have maximum points, you don't have a chance to draw premium units whatsoever.

 

[PathFinder]

The only option explored above that doesn't reduce draw odds is to raise tag prices to market values. It's no perfect solution, but it has plenty of upsides: 1. Reduce excess demand 2. Increase value contributed to conservation (if managed correctly). 3. Merit based incentive is a better motivator than random odds. 4. Prices don't have to be raised to an absurd level that average hunters can't afford.
Personally, I'd rather bank on making more and spending more than an ever descending spiral of poorer and poorer odds until the only way to hunt every year is to go to Africa.
Ostracizing the "content creators" is also on the table.

 

[bergie]

Ostracizing the "content creators" is also on the table.

This should COVER the table

 

[roadrunner]

The only option explored above that doesn't reduce draw odds is to raise tag prices to market values. It's no perfect solution, but it has plenty of upsides: 1. Reduce excess demand 2. Increase value contributed to conservation (if managed correctly). 3. Merit based incentive is a better motivator than random odds. 4. Prices don't have to be raised to an absurd level that average hunters can't afford.
Personally, I'd rather bank on making more and spending more than an ever descending spiral of poorer and poorer odds until the only way to hunt every year is to go to Africa.
Ostracizing the "content creators" is also on the table.

The effect of raising tag prices would be a short lived outcome.

Once the "sticker shock" is overcome, people will get creative on how to apply reversing the intended affect.

When NM did this several years back with pay upfront for the entire tag fee (similar to instant increase in price), draw probability went up. A few short years later, like maybe 2 or so, application numbers were right back where they were because people went out and got a credit card designated only for that. So, no draw, no problem. You get your money back before finance charges mean anything.

Now that people had figured this out, couple that to no penalty for sitting out (aka no points), applications are at all time highs.

 

[PathFinder]

The effect of raising tag prices would be a short lived outcome.

Once the "sticker shock" is overcome, people will get creative on how to apply reversing the intended affect.

When NM did this several years back with pay upfront for the entire tag fee (similar to instant increase in price), draw probability went up. A few short years later, like maybe 2 or so, application numbers were right back where they were because people went out and got a credit card designated only for that. So, no draw, no problem. You get your money back before finance charges mean anything.

Now that people had figured this out, couple that to no penalty for sitting out (aka no points), applications are at all time highs.

If demand is still outstripping supply, there's room to move the price up. The concept would be to continue to raise prices until demand and supply stabilize.
But you raise a good point; in our society, people will probably end up financing tags

 

[roadrunner]

If demand is still outstripping supply, there's room to move the price up. The concept would be to continue to raise prices until demand and supply stabilize.
But you raise a good point; in our society, people will probably end up financing tags

Supply and demand concepts in economics pertaining to price equilibrium in a competitive market.

It would be more applicable if a draw system wasn't employed and the commodity (game animals) weren't subject by unknown and unpredictable elements such as disease, famine, drought, extreme winters, housing development encroachment, and solar/wind farms (sorry, had to put that did in )

 

[wyosam]

Not so sure about that.

Quick search can turn up plenty of low to no point options.

Not every hunt has to be a dream tag.

Truth. Having a “hunt of a lifetime” experience every year isn’t realistic or sustainable.


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