The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[Beagle1]

I appreciate the comments and quotes and commentary.

I am really willing to talk to anyone about these concepts, but if you ask me to leave my baggage at the front door, you must first also be willing to leave your baggage at the front door. Saying I have to give up my faith in God to talk to you is fine, but you have to give up your faith in the untested, unrepeatable, never seen before and unable to be performed scientific theories that you cling to as well. If you are willing to do that, feel free to comment.

The holes in the scientific realm that relate to the creation of the universe and creation of life after the universe are so big, they require faith to believe in. Any one with a bit of understanding of the scientific process must acknowledge that, or they are ignoring the scientific process. It is faith that in some point in the future when we can figure it out, we will figure it out, but it is faith nonetheless. For what is faith, but belief in something unseen.

We have not seen the beginning of the universe, we have not seen life spontaneously originate. We have not seen evolution on a macro scale occur. Instead, we see mutations that are deleterious to species, we see species going extinct. We see no new speciation. We are witnessing a dying biological world, and this was going on well before the industrial revolution, so we cant even blame it on humans.

Why is that? I have an explanation. But "science" does not even acknowledge the reality of the situation. They keep talking about how things take millennia and longer to create one meaningful mutation and that is how speciation occurs...if we wait that long, the species will all be dead and the only living things left on the earth will be cockroaches.


I do think some get caught up in the word faith and reject anything related to faith because they equate it to religion of some sort, and some have a almost violent reaction to the word let alone the concept of religion. I have tried to unpack why some people have such reactions, and get accused of being a counselor and how they have no issues and trying to put God guilt on them is not right, etc, etc....it all boils down to a simple question and simple answer most are unwilling to answer honestly:

Why did you come to this thread and post?

Answer that question honestly, and if the answer is anything BUT seeking God, then your motivations are worldly and you will not likely understand anything being discussed. Not because you aren't earnestly trying to see the truth, but because you are blinded to the truth in some manner. I pray you all will eventually see the truth before it is too late. I know at some point, you all will see the Truth

The questions you posed were previously answered in my long post.

As to why I came to this thread - I found it interesting (but not as humorous as the Irish goodbye.)

Now your turn, what evidence would persuade you God does not exist.

 

[Yoder]

Non believers can be in awe of the birth of their children and the beauty of an Alaska sky.

You are answering what makes you believe in God. What would persuade you your belief was wrong?

I know you weren't asking me, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I think you have a good point. I think being in awe of anything is evidence of God. I doubt any other species on Earth has that feeling of something bigger or beauty they can't hardly comprehend. It's a visceral feeling I can't even explain. To me it's a small glimpse of what the feeling is like to be in the presence of God. I'm not trying to persuade you; it's just something I believe to be true. I don't know if anything would change my mind about the existence of God. Maybe if they could mix together some chemicals and create life, like what supposedly happened to start life on Earth. I can't think of anything else.

 

[Beagle1]

I know you weren't asking me, but I thought it was an interesting question, and I think you have a good point. I think being in awe of anything is evidence of God. I doubt any other species on Earth has that feeling of something bigger or beauty they can't hardly comprehend. It's a visceral feeling I can't even explain. To me it's a small glimpse of what the feeling is like to be in the presence of God. I'm not trying to persuade you; it's just something I believe to be true. I don't know if anything would change my mind about the existence of God. Maybe if they could mix together some chemicals and create life, like what supposedly happened to start life on Earth. I can't think of anything else.

As I mentioned before lots of things would persuade non believers that God was real. What would persuade you God is not resl?

 

[Yoder]

As I mentioned before lots of things would persuade non believers that God was real. What would persuade you God is not resl?

Man creating life out of nothing, but different elements mixed together. Something actually alive, not a robot or AI.

 

[Beagle1]

Man creating life out of nothing, but different elements mixed together. Something actually alive, not a robot or AI.

I appreciate the answer but if God created everything wouldn’t he also be responsible for whatever man created no matter what the circumstances.

 

[D_wit22]

As I mentioned before lots of things would persuade non believers that God was real. What would persuade you God is not resl?

Let me see if I can type this correctly

Suppose Jesus walked the earth today and did all the things the Bible says he did.

Suppose Jesus walked the earth today and had a huge following of people that made up everything he did.

Both scenarios would be highly documented. We have the Bible which I believe to be 100% true. I would need some sort of eyewitness account that’s documented during the same time period as the Bible that debunks all the “crazy Christian myths” This would need to be written by multiple people, different areas of the world, but all be saying the same thing.

I’d at least read it but still would have a tough time believing there is no God.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

The steps of creation are so intricate. People say they don't see miracles, but they occur every day and if you have kids you have witnessed a miracle. O course I have seen and heard of other modern miracles, but this one example is so obvious, IF you are looking.

If you just take the assumption that this is normal and this is the way things are, then you miss it right under your nose. no different now than in Jesus' time.

 

[Beagle1]

And science explains the wonder of birth without the divine.

But as I said before your turn. You willingly cite your reasons for believing in God. What evidence would persuade you God does not exist.

 

[taybou]

The steps of creation are so intricate. People say they don't see miracles, but they occur every day and if you have kids you have witnessed a miracle. O course I have seen and heard of other modern miracles, but this one example is so obvious, IF you are looking.

If you just take the assumption that this is normal and this is the way things are, then you miss it right under your nose. no different now than in Jesus' time.

What if a miracle was just something we humans can't yet explain? Why do we need to have an explanation and ascribe the idea that it's by some greater force? What's the problem with "I don't know how that happened", and leaving it at that?

 

[Texasbuckeye]

I appreciate the answer but if God created everything wouldn’t he also be responsible for whatever man created no matter what the circumstances.

No, because we have free will. God did not make a robotic human. He made a human with free will who chooses to love or not love, desire to be with God or not be with God.

Same thing is seem with kids and parents...does the kid who is forced to obey a parent under direct scrutiny or act of force really obeying and showing love and obedience to the parent? We all know the answer.

In a similar vein, when a kid grows up and commits a crime, do we blame the parent? No, the adult is responsible for their own actions. We hold some parents responsible for crimes committed by minor children, but even then it is rare.

The same way we can not say it is all God's fault that a free will human chooses to disobey and do something wrong, creating something like a bomb, or a gun, or an drunk driving accident. These are faults of the person, not of God.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

And science explains the wonder of birth without the divine.

But as I said before your turn. You willingly cite your reasons for believing in God. What evidence would persuade you God does not exist.

Science explains how a birth takes place. It can not explain why a specific sperm reaches the egg and fertilizes it, nor can it explain why sometimes the process works perfectly and other times it is a disaster, or even why some can not conceive at all. Science does a good job of explaining the processes God created. I will grant you that,


Now, feel free to do your best and give evidence to persuade me away form the existence of God.

 

[D_wit22]

What if a miracle was just something we humans can't yet explain? Why do we need to have an explanation and ascribe the idea that it's by some greater force? What's the problem with "I don't know how that happened", and leaving it at that?

Do you have any children yet?

 

[UpNorth89]

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What if a miracle was just something we humans can't yet explain? Why do we need to have an explanation and ascribe the idea that it's by some greater force? What's the problem with "I don't know how that happened", and leaving it at that?

Exactly. Throughout time there have been many things that were perceived as miracles. Not so long ago humans had no concept of science. Slowly as the human race has advanced we've gotten answers for many of them. In another hundred years we'll have even more figured out.

 

[Texasbuckeye]

What if a miracle was just something we humans can't yet explain? Why do we need to have an explanation and ascribe the idea that it's by some greater force? What's the problem with "I don't know how that happened", and leaving it at that?

What would make something a miracle to you? Answer honestly, and if there is nothing, then thats ok too.

 

[Beagle1]

Science explains how a birth takes place. It can not explain why a specific sperm reaches the egg and fertilizes it, nor can it explain why sometimes the process works perfectly and other times it is a disaster, or even why some can not conceive at all. Science does a good job of explaining the processes God created. I will grant you that,


Now, feel free to do your best and give evidence to persuade me away form the existence of God.

Once again just because science cannot explain an event means it must have a supernatural cause.

But as I said before your turn. You willingly cite your reasons for believing in God. What evidence would persuade you God does not exist. I am asking for your thoughts.

 

[Shortschaf]

*Removed comment as I see it was already stated above*

 

[Texasbuckeye]

Once again just because science cannot explain an event means it must have a supernatural cause.

But as I said before your turn. You willingly cite your reasons for believing in God. What evidence would persuade you God does not exist. I am asking for your thoughts.

The only thing that ,maybe would convince me there is no God is if I had overwhelming evidence we were not here, like a matrix moment where I came out of a dream and it was all a charade.

Other than that, nothing. I have had so many supernatural experiences, so many hindsight 20/20 experiences where I know the hand of God protected me from a bad decision or a bad situation, so many times I prayed hard for something and it wasn't answered only to see the reason later....there is nothing in this world that would convince me there is no god other than if this is all a dream like drug induced state and reality is nothing what we actually experience. Even then, it would still be a maybe. I just can not discount the personal experiences, the talks, the voices, the dreams, the interactions I have had with Him. Too many to count. Getting stronger by the day.

 

[Jimmy]

Once again just because science cannot explain an event means it must have a supernatural cause.

But as I said before your turn. You willingly cite your reasons for believing in God. What evidence would persuade you God does not exist. I am asking for your thoughts.

For me it would have to be that all the reasons I have for believing in God are proven to be false. Perhaps in a scenario like that it would cause me to lose faith. It's hard to imagine something like that.

 

[Beagle1]

The only thing that ,maybe would convince me there is no God is if I had overwhelming evidence we were not here, like a matrix moment where I came out of a dream and it was all a charade.

Other than that, nothing. I have had so many supernatural experiences, so many hindsight 20/20 experiences where I know the hand of God protected me from a bad decision or a bad situation, so many times I prayed hard for something and it wasn't answered only to see the reason later....there is nothing in this world that would convince me there is no god other than if this is all a dream like drug induced state and reality is nothing what we actually experience. Even then, it would still be a maybe. I just can not discount the personal experiences, the talks, the voices, the dreams, the interactions I have had with Him. Too many to count. Getting stronger by the day.

As I thought. That’s why I hope you can appreciate the irony of your refusal to be open minded when you so easily conclude that non believers would see that God existed if they weren’t close minded.

 

[dylanvb]

Once again just because science cannot explain an event means it must have a supernatural cause.

But as I said before your turn. You willingly cite your reasons for believing in God. What evidence would persuade you God does not exist. I am asking for your thoughts.

There is no evidence that could persuade me that God isn’t real. Yes we have science to “prove” how things work but God created it that way. Thats why he is God and we are not.

To think that we can even begin to comprehend what God has or will do is just insanity and trying to put yourself in his place….

To accurately say there is no God then that is stating the fact that you know there isn’t which you don’t and to make such a claim is just ignorance. Now lack of proof okay that’s fine, He just hasn’t revealed Himself to you in a compelling way yet and my honest prayer for people who don’t believe is that they encounter Him in this life before it is too late.

“that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ NKJV