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[Castle Rock]

Ian says yes. Their starter threads are timed in the exact same spot on all actions, nominal headspace. This allows prefits with the extractor relief cut in the tenon.

I believe Ian said it is breached like a Mauser with an internal C collar, so the barrel is flat on the face

 

[ResearchinStuff]

Ian says yes. Their starter threads are timed in the exact same spot on all actions, nominal headspace. This allows prefits with the extractor relief cut in the tenon. There will still be some measuring and prob a dummy tenon for indexing required. I personally wouldn't go about prefitting this action myself but it's capable. I'm sure a cnc program could be written that would nail the tenon and relief cut every time.

Threads stretch/move with torque cycles. If a guy were to say have a rifle built in 6cm for hunting, then have a practice barrel cut in 6br. After say a dozen barrel swaps back and forth, at what point in time will the extractor cut start to get off timing at the same 100'/# tenon torque? Perhaps this action as a switch barrel might not be a good idea?

I know when my smith times his barrel markings, just a few cycles of barrel swaps, the markings have def moved from their original position, this doesn't matter as they're not cut for an extractor relief.

@Imac45acp can you shed any light on that? Is it possible to test that concept? How many times of making and breaking the barrel to your recommended torque before the claw ectractor is no longer inside the relief cut?

I don't think those markings are moving because the receiver is elongating, the axial load and temp are not high enough for creep to be a concern in steel. More likely, the threads are getting smoothed out a bit on the barrel tennon, allowing you to get more travel for the same torque.

 

[khuber84]

I believe Ian said it is breached like a Mauser with an internal C collar, so the barrel is flat on the face

OK so it's not much different than American rifle Co actions that use a blade extractor, minus the MRC being full length. However it still rotates on the bolt bodys longitude axis. Instead of the recess in the bolt nose to keep the extractor in place and apply forces to engage the rim, a ring is inside the action that apply the pressure and keep it clocked while the bolt rotates in/out of lug engagement.

I really need to get my hands on one these and check it out! I've been around a lot of M70s, mausingfields, owen multiples of nucleus, archimedes, CDG, Zermatt crf action. However no experience with a true Mauser.

Maybe we can get a tenon print posted.

 

[Turkeygetpwnd38]

I’ve gotten to the point where I avoid the UM/Form threads but man I am a glad I clicked and read through this

 

[nighthawkf-117]

Ive heard a lot about problems with the Remington 700 trigger system. But has anyone ever had an actual failure?
Just remember multiple branches of the US Military and our partners have used the M24 and M40 for decades. Did they really deal with an inferior trigger for that amount of use?

 

[mlevimadden]

Ive heard a lot about problems with the Remington 700 trigger system. But has anyone ever had an actual failure?
Just remember multiple branches of the US Military and our partners have used the M24 and M40 for decades. Did they really deal with an inferior trigger for that amount of use?

https://rokslide.com/forums/threads/rifle-ice-snow-freeze-eval-2025.390070/

I’ve never hunted with a rem 700 but there are quite a few failure stories with freezing rain and will blowing sand/dust.

It’s a sign when most competitive shooters in field type events using a rem 700 action are carrying a spare trigger.

 

[khuber84]

Ive heard a lot about problems with the Remington 700 trigger system. But has anyone ever had an actual failure?
Just remember multiple branches of the US Military and our partners have used the M24 and M40 for decades. Did they really deal with an inferior trigger for that amount of use?

Idk, I hear the stories, but not my experience.

I've shot 1 and 2 day field matches in Montana, Wyo, ND, east Washington, lots of dust and dirt, rain, mud, I've had mags go down from mud and wet grime in them, but never a rem700 trigger go down. Over the last 5-6 years, it's around 10-12k rounds total. I carry a spare trigger as well as other spare parts, but I haven't needed it, or any them for that matter, I must be lucky, or I need to pump my numbers up and shoot more.

I don't get out a lot in freezing rain, or blizzard where my gun lays in a snow bank over night. That seems like a common thing on here, not in my neck of the woods tho.

 

[woods89]

Ive heard a lot about problems with the Remington 700 trigger system. But has anyone ever had an actual failure?
Just remember multiple branches of the US Military and our partners have used the M24 and M40 for decades. Did they really deal with an inferior trigger for that amount of use?

I had one start launching rounds on bolt closing or taking off the safety. That will make you very unhappy very quickly. Thankfully it was pointed downrange when it happened.

I had it worked on, which some people say is usually the issue, but the guy that worked on it has worked on a lot of Remington triggers, and it was 700-800 rounds prior to failure.

I managed to get one of the last Giesselle Super 700s in stock for it.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

I had one start launching rounds on bolt closing or taking off the safety. That will make you very unhappy very quickly. Thankfully it was pointed downrange when it happened.

I had it worked on, which some people say is usually the issue, but the guy that worked on it has worked on a lot of Remington triggers, and it was 700-800 rounds prior to failure.

I managed to get one of the last Giesselle Super 700s in stock for it.

That's the design flaw. Floating connector, no way to know if the gun will fire when the safety is clicked off, just have to hope and pray it works as intended.

 

[woods89]

That's the design flaw. Floating connector, no way to know if the gun will fire when the safety is clicked off, just have to hope and pray it works as intended.

I'll keep that particular rifle and continue to use it sometimes, as it has a lot of sentimental value to me, and is incredibly accurate, but it certainly cured me of wanting any more Remingtons.

It changed when and how I chamber up, also.

 

[id_jon]

The safety brief at most matches I have been to just assumes that trigger issues are a thing that happens and addresses how to at least be safe. No closing the bolt until on target is the norm. Most everyone seems to assume that a trigger issue of some sort is a "when, not if".

 

[Axlrod]

Ive heard a lot about problems with the Remington 700 trigger system. But has anyone ever had an actual failure?
Just remember multiple branches of the US Military and our partners have used the M24 and M40 for decades. Did they really deal with an inferior trigger for that amount of use?

Not being snarky, but the US military has used Remington because they were the lowest bidder. If a firearm passes the minimum requirements, they are allowed to bid.

Things must have changed since the days of dropping 1911's out of a tower onto pavement loaded and cocked. It is likely, had John Moses Browning designed the M700, it would be a much better weapon.

 

[Castle Rock]

Not being snarky, but the US military has used Remington because they were the lowest bidder.

I don’t believe that is the case, they paid up big for them

More likely is that some pencil neck in the procurement chain took a big kickback for favourable contracts

 

[huntnful]

Idk, I hear the stories, but not my experience.

I've shot 1 and 2 day field matches in Montana, Wyo, ND, east Washington, lots of dust and dirt, rain, mud, I've had mags go down from mud and wet grime in them, but never a rem700 trigger go down. Over the last 5-6 years, it's around 10-12k rounds total. I carry a spare trigger as well as other spare parts, but I haven't needed it, or any them for that matter, I must be lucky, or I need to pump my numbers up and shoot more.

I don't get out a lot in freezing rain, or blizzard where my gun lays in a snow bank over night. That seems like a common thing on here, not in my neck of the woods tho.

Thousands of rounds, through at least 20 different remington triggers and models, as well as hunting nearly every western state, from 100 degrees to minus 20 degrees. PLENTY of dust (my gun just rides up front in the side and is covered in a tornado of dust constantly) and some cold snowy days as well (could hardly cycle my TI action from the ice layer). Never a SINGLE issue. Sure it may occur at some point, and I might kick myself when it does happen. But until then, I can't make myself lose sleep over it at all, after my own personal experiences with them.

I am getting rid of my Bix N Andy's though. I don't like the adjustable sear at all. You can adjust it light enough that you cock the pin and close the bolt, but if you bump the rifle or action, you can make it go off. Now of course you can set the seat far enough that it won't do that as well. But I just don't like it at all.

 

[Ryan Avery]

Rem triggers have cost me two really good animals. Both times, it was sleeting rain in the afternoon.

To me, it's an easy variable I can control... Tikka.

 

[huntnful]

Rem triggers have cost me two really good animals. Both times, it was sleeting rain in the afternoon.

To me, it's an easy variable I can control... Tikka.

MRC* lol

 

[khuber84]

MRC* lol

There's no MRC 6um...........yet

 

[huntnful]

There's no MRC 6um...........yet

Shiiiiiiit. That’s right!

That 6UM is a beast!

I’m messing with a 6.5-7PRC now. It’s cool I guess lol

 

[khuber84]

Shiiiiiiit. That’s right!

That 6UM is a beast!

I’m messing with a 6.5-7PRC now. It’s cool I guess lol

6mm bullets over 3200 is fun! 156s over 3100 is a ballistic missle, unfortunately there's near 2x more recoil there. I love the 156, it's been a very solid killing bullet for me, but a case big enough to make it shine in a 20" barrel(think 7prc or Wsm parent) is gonna ha w a lil push to it to say the least! I'm getting into some these braked suppressors, so maybe they'll turn the tide of shootability.

 

[huntnful]

6mm bullets over 3200 is fun! 156s over 3100 is a ballistic missle, unfortunately there's near 2x more recoil there. I love the 156, it's been a very solid killing bullet for me, but a case big enough to make it shine in a 20" barrel(think 7prc or Wsm parent) is gonna ha w a lil push to it to say the least! I'm getting into some these braked suppressors, so maybe they'll turn the tide of shootability.

Yep, absolutely nailed it. Good luck on the braked suppressors!