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7mm and Winchester…..
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Never had any issues with Tikkas… back when I was a little girl I played around with a 7mm then I transitioned and will never use a 7mm again.I bet Ryan comes around. IIRC correctly, it wasn’t too long ago that he curled his lip at the mention of “Tikka” or any elk cartridge that didn’t start with a 3…
Never had any issues with Tikkas… back when I was a little girl I played around with a 7mm then I transitioned and will never use a 7mm again.
Bergers generally aren’t my preference. They kill fine, including the 108gr. But they have a long neck length in tissue and they don’t exit.
I have around a dozen kills with a 130 vldh from 30 yards to 300 and have yet to not have an exit. I don’t mean that as a challenge at all, but rather more of question as to what you think the difference may be.
I was responding about 6mm Bergers.
The 6UM and 300saum are both magnum bolt faces. If there is room in the magazine then a new barrel is all you need.Have to ask the silly question before I put a rifle up for sale. I have a model 7 in 300 SAUM and about 10 boxes of factory ammo. I cannot thread the barrel and stay above 16” so if I can’t run a suppressor it is going to be sold. Before I sell it, is it candidate for a rebarrel in the 6UM ? Is the bolt face the same? If It is a simple rebarrel I may consider keeping it.
Pretty sure it is. The 6UM is based on the SAUM with improved shoulder if I’m not mistaken.Have to ask the silly question before I put a rifle up for sale. I have a model 7 in 300 SAUM and about 10 boxes of factory ammo. I cannot thread the barrel and stay above 16” so if I can’t run a suppressor it is going to be sold. Before I sell it, is it candidate for a rebarrel in the 6UM ? Is the bolt face the same? If It is a simple rebarrel I may consider keeping it.
Barrel length?I shoot the 109 hybrid out of a 6 creed at 3100 fps
Have had exits on everything from coues deer to cow elk
They work very well
Probably around 20 ish animals
The model 7 has a 2.8" magazine box. The trigger group distance doesn't allow bolt stop mods and opening feed port to add a wyatts box like a normal 700 short action. PTG and Badger sell detch mag bottom metal, that utilize aics mags, which give up to 2.97 internal space, which is enough to run the 6um. The model 7 definitely isn't an ideal donor action.Have to ask the silly question before I put a rifle up for sale. I have a model 7 in 300 SAUM and about 10 boxes of factory ammo. I cannot thread the barrel and stay above 16” so if I can’t run a suppressor it is going to be sold. Before I sell it, is it candidate for a rebarrel in the 6UM ? Is the bolt face the same? If It is a simple rebarrel I may consider keeping it.
23"Barrel length?
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No, not necessarily. It’s what specific behavior each person weighs most. The DTAC’s below 2,400’ish FPS impact, generally penetrate 4-6 inches then begins to yaw. Sometimes fragmenting and sometimes not. Generally exiting elk, and so far always exiting deer. It also doesn’t really seem to have a lower limit velocity to that upset- at least to around 1,500fps. The benefit is very wide velocity impact range, exits, and good wound channels after 8’ish inches. The con is the neck length and variable behavior.
ELD-M and X’s upset near immediately, about 50% of the time they will exit deer sized animals, or maybe a bit more. They generally do not exit elk, though they consistently do make it to the offside. They have a lower limit of 1,800fps+ impact for consistent upset. Their advantage in tissue is immediate and consistent upset in tissue and a relatively wide and long wound channel. The price is lower limit upset velocity, and reduced chance for exits on large animals.
Berger Hunting, and VLD’s generally penetrate 4-6 inches before yawing and fragmenting heavily. They only sometimes exit deer sized animals, and almost never elk, though consistently make it to the offside. They have a lower limit impact velocity of 1,900 to 1,800fps. On chest shots, the neck length and rapid fragmentation generally occurs center of the chest cavity, and on the whole will result in the fastest time to incapacitation. The cost, is that long neck length, lack of exits, and somewhat variable performance.
For me-
DTAC’s- very good elk bullets. Ok I’m deer, would not use on black bear by choice.
ELD-M/X- Consistent and solid performance in all animals. Excellent in deer and bear, good in elk. The 103gr ELD-X I need more experience with, and will get more this year.
Berger Hunting/VLD- on good chest shots very good wounding. On high or low edge hits, the neck length can and will result in minimal wounding. For me they are not my choice for how and what I hunt, and how animals are missed or wounded.
Is there anything else that can be done to the DTAC's to shorten that neck length specifically for deer? Filing or cutting the tip? I ask because my initial testing has them shooting better than the Hornady and Berger bullets I've tested, I'd love to have 1 bullet and load for everything target and hunting, but my hunting is currently 95% whitetail inside 300 yards.