Texas school shooting

[gabenzeke]

I know that our Aussie, European and Canadian friends like to weigh in on American politics, laws, culture, etc. Their opinions might come from good intentions but honestly, I could care less what people with stockholm syndrome have to say about free men and the law of our land.

I'd defer to those types if this was a discussion about slurping teabags, fondling kangaroos, or the latest flannel fashions. But it isn't. This is a discussion pertaining to a country that hasn't completely spread it's cheeks to tyrants yet.

Exactly. We intentionally left that way of life generations ago. It's fine they don't understand it, it's not for them. I don't understand the desire to make America more like the places our forefathers left.

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[Texasbuckeye]

The widespread reporting that police stood around for about an hour stopping parents from helping their children as they were being slaughtered:

Just look up “Uvalde police stopped parents” or something similar; it’s pretty easy.

Uvalde Police Stopped Parents

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Uvalde police stopped parents' themselves.

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A quick search finds the same story being reported on multiple channels with the exact same verbiage and quotes. Something tells me a simple copy and paste from one source to another. Not that media do that or anything...


Anyway, lets let things unfold and let the details emerge before jumping to conclusions about when this video was actually taken. That is a lot of parents to be there right when the shooting started and there is already a police tape up, so it makes me think this vid is after things went down. Who knows.

 

[browning2480]

The widespread reporting that police stood around for about an hour stopping parents from helping their children as they were being slaughtered:

Just look up “Uvalde police stopped parents” or something similar; it’s pretty easy.

Uvalde Police Stopped Parents

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Uvalde police stopped parents' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

How much knowledge or background do you have with active investigations or any type of active shooting scenario? Just wondering. Also, I have been watching this close online and on tv and have yet to see an actual timeline. The timeline I do see doesn’t have anyone standing around for an hour. You might not want to believe everything you see on Google.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

Thats BS and you know it.

Which part? That police enforce compliance? That they are not our friends? That police follow their political master's wishes to the detriment of civillians? That anyone, officer or otherwise, who stands by doing nothing while children are killed, is a coward?

I'm not just some random cop-hater, dude. I have solid reasons, experiences, and research to back up my opinions. Doesn't mean I'm 100% right but it does mean that you're full of shit for calling my statements bullshit.

 

[GSPHUNTER]

Social media has created a society of young people looking for their 15 mins. of fame..He posted somewhere around thirty mins before he got to the school that he had shot his grandmother and he was going to the school. I personally believe social media is the worst thing that has ever happened.

 

[*zap*]

I thought the first video had a timestamp of 2:20. Shooter in custody was reported at 1:06.

 

[browning2480]

I thought the first video had a timestamp of 2:20. Shooter in custody was reported at 1:06.

And the 1:06 timeline was probably a good 15 minutes or so after they killed him and searched the rest of the school for threats. If these times are even accurate, but make more sense than them just standing around for an hour

 

[norcan]

hard for me to believe that video was taken during the active shooting phase. Most likely it was after the shooter was dead and the police were trying to piece together everything to create some sort of order, make sure there were no other shooters, etc.

That video is hard to watch, but we can not let emotions get ahead of reason. That is what the deceiver wants so things can get done that reasonable people wouldn't allow but emotional people would.

Yeah, the witnesses are probably all just making it up or something.

 

[Red Letters]

For everyone reposting this kind of shit, maybe hold off until the facts come out. Without knowing for sure, I'd wager to say these parents weren't exactly just outside standing around and trying to get inside while shooting was still taking place inside. This is likely after the shooting stopped and parents started showing up on scene. After the chaos ended, other officers would have to maintain a perimeter to ensure there were no other threats, while victims were assessed, treated, removed, and all while maintaining a crime scene. No officer wants to stop a parent from rushing to their child, but it's very complicated.

The facts will never come out, following Sandy Hook should tell everyone that, nothing they said was constant or matched the reports or even video we saw live time. I saw video from a helicopter of two guys being chased in the woods wearing camouflage, they took down one of them on camera then they reported the story and said only one guy was there and then claimed no one else was involved. Or how about Las Vegas, we are still waiting for the so called facts to that.

We had a shooting at a friend of mines business and the local news got almost every fact wrong.

Some of the media misdirection is by design, some is because they absolutely suck at their job

 

[Overdrive]

@browning2480
Why take my word for it? You can very easily look it up and see for yourself.

I see crime scene tape in the video, I highly doubt that protocol calls for putting up crime scene tape as the first step of an active shooter situation. Wait for the actually investigation to take place before condemning the officers.

 

[JustSomeGuy35]

Regardless of whether LE stood around with their thumbs up their butt or not, this massacre should drive home the fact that depending on timely police response and low-paid security guards is rarely going to work out. Our local communities and the individuals that reside within them need to step up and take responsibility for protecting ourselves and our children.

If schools begin to resemble prisons but the kids are safe, so be it. That will work better than placing further restrictions on our 2A rights. Trying to emulate moose ticklers and wombat milkers isn't going to work out when we have unsecured borders, a gov't that routinely arms terrorists and cartels, and more guns than people.

 

[browning2480]

Yeah, the witnesses are probably all just making it up or something.

Again if you have any knowledge around investigations or how this stuff works, emotions cloud much of reality in these situations and any witness that was there are very unreliable. Understandably so with what was happening and their kids being in there and not knowing what is going on.

All I am saying is it is too early to tell and the stuff I am seeing doesn’t add up to what you are suggesting. Doesn’t mean I am right, just my opinion.

 

[KoolBreeze]

The simple truth is you’ll never be able to legislate away evil. All you can do is do your best to defend yourself from it when it comes knocking on your door.

Everyone knows that laws taking away guns will do nothing to actually solve the problem, yet the politicians continue to beat the drum. Even if they could round up every gun in America, what about axes, bombs, knives, machetes, semi-trucks, and on and on? Someone hell bent on evil will just switch tools and the rest of us will be less prepared to defend ourselves.

 

[NB7]

Again if you have any knowledge around investigations or how this stuff works, emotions cloud much of reality in these situations and any witness that was there are very unreliable. Understandably so with what was happening and their kids being in there and not knowing what is going on.

Agreed. After all, look where everything went after the Michael Brown shooting with all the "hands up don't shoot" crap that came out of that. After the thorough DOJ investigation was concluded it was found to be totally baseless and BS. An agitator gave a false statement to the press and away it went...like a rocket ship. this is why making these statements before facts are determined can be so dangerous

 

[norcan]

The facts will never come out, following Sandy Hook should tell everyone that, nothing they said was constant or matched the reports or even video we saw live time. I saw video from a helicopter of two guys being chased in the woods wearing camouflage, they took down one of them on camera then they reported the story and said only one guy was there and then claimed no one else was involved. Or how about Las Vegas, we are still waiting for the so called facts to that.

We had a shooting at a friend of mines business and the local news got almost every fact wrong.

Some of the media misdirection is by design, some is because they absolutely suck at their job

Interesting. So what do you think really happened at Sandy Hook and Las Vegas?

 

[WCB]

God most certainly did not give you a right to own fire arms. The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness sure, but not the right to have guns. I'm pretty Jesus would be anti firearms in general and anti all violence.

Also in the spirit of the second amendment while everyone is focusing on the "shall not be infringed" part, let's not forget the lines "a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". So extremely strong argument that your right to have guns is tied to your service in a WELL REGULATED militia. Well regulated probably looks like training, drilling, requirements of service, etc. . .

Carry on

This has been discussed
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

A militia is raised from the civilian population (the PEOPLE) and the U.S. defines two forms of militia "organized" and "unorganized"...unorganized being every able bodied male between 17-45 with some exceptions....would you agree that no one over 45 should own arms?

Looks like the U.S. Militia is well regulated as it divides into the organized and unorganized and sets exemptions one of them including..."Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty." So this again separates "organized" Militia from the PEOPLE who are part of the unorganized Militia...

Strange they separated the "people" from the "Militia". So you think the Right they were granting was for giving the government the "Right" to form/maintain a Militia? What other right requires as you state "training, drilling, or requirements of service"

 

[southLA]

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[ddavis_1313]

Witnesses: Police Refused to Enter School as Uvalde Shooter Rampaged, Subdued Parents Begging Them to Act - Republican Daily

One of the major questions from the moment that news broke of the horrific shooting at a school in Uvalde, TX, was how police were reportedly on the scene before Salvador Ramos even entered, yet he was able to kill so many children. Early on, there were mentions from law enforcement that the...

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[Pacific_Fork]

Guys some of those parents lived across the street and heard/saw the entire incident taking place in real time. They watched the cops not pursue the POS. These cops are cowards and should be hung for failing to protect children . Stop protecting these officers. I support LE but this is the worst example of cowardice humanity.

I can’t imagine why these eye witnesses would fabricate this entire story, but if in the end it comes out proven that it’s a lie I will apologize and retract my statements.

 

[Jmort1754]

I am with the guy who said things changed after the Sandy Hook shooting we watched it live on a break from deer hunting and a lot of things change from that. Different guns or state of being used they stated they were multiple shooters and we're chasing people in camouflage in the woods and then all the sudden you never heard another thing about it.

And the parents quotes about going in there maybe after the fact however most of the timelines that I've seen and most of them came from the department spokesman placed the shooter in the building without a police officer who witnessed a gunman run into the building for 14 or so minutes. It is trained throughout the country by DHS that an active shooter situation one man entry or single entry is a must.