TENET Q/A

[Huntnpack 2]

For those interested Tenet has SE numbers listed on their site. Barrel lengths & ammo used included.

 

[Ucsdryder]

That's a bs answer. They came up with their own criteria that heavily weights the features of their products in a deceptive way.

For example the tenet 6.5 limited is a louder, longer, and heavier suppressor than the zero gravity 6.5. it did better in the recoil test but that's it! How was it the best suppressor in the test?!?!

If recoil reduction is the only thing that matters a muzzle brake would have done really well in this test.

Your cookie analogy is a construct for people who can't read.

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Now I’m confused. If you add up the equation they listed above, are their numbers correct? If so, where’s the deception? They gave you the answer to the test and showed their work. That would make any math teacher proud.

 

[2buffalo]

It doesn't give shooters ear with a brake unless I am missing it.

 

[Sundodger]

It doesn't give shooters ear with a brake unless I am missing it.

They finally added it to their website, 129 db at shooters ear for the limited 7 suppressor. Add 8 db for the 1 port or 9 db for the 2 port.

 

[1000yards]

They finally added it to their website, 129 db at shooters ear for the limited 7 suppressor. Add 8 db for the 1 port or 9 db for the 2 port.

So all that hyped up recoil reduction comes at the expense of sound suppression like every other suppressor / muzzle device ever made?

I'm shocked...

 

[Salmon River Solutions]

Y'all take stuff too seriously. I'm a marketing expert. The stuff you can do in Microsoft Paint is amazing.

Prove my claims wrong.

 

[Dioni A]

How is it deceptive when they give you the exact equation they used at the top of rankings? Using aggregate score they do place better than the rest. I understand what you’re saying, but it’s not like the company is trying to trick you lol.

A few things, The weight in that test is not the production weight of the can you're going to get. The scoring metric as a whole makes no sense. If they'd have tested a two-port titanium muzzle brake it would have scored better than some of the suppressors in the test. Finally they're adding a logarithmic number. That's not how the DB scale works, it's non linear.

None of this is to say that that might not be a great suppressor. Just that they hijacked the test then represented the information as though it was outdoor lifes. Published non-production numbers of what seem to be prototypes that are 20% lighter and came up with a scoring criteria dictating how you're supposed to appreciate four different units of measurement.

 

[Sundodger]

So all that hyped up recoil reduction comes at the expense of sound suppression like every other suppressor / muzzle device ever made?

I'm shocked...

Free lunches are hard to come by, but I was hoping for better than 137 db.

Suppressors have come a long way in terms of weight, length, and suppression in just the last couple years. I am hopeful there is more optimization left and it’s not only minor incremental gains left.

 

[Salmon River Solutions]

Free lunches are hard to come by, but I was hoping for better than 137 db.

Suppressors have come a long way in terms of weight, length, and suppression in just the last couple years. I am hopeful there is more optimization left and it’s not only minor incremental gains left.

It just comes down to the fact that for a brake (suppressor brake or standard muzzle brake) to perform well, it is redirecting gas, the better it does that the less recoil, and the more sound is redirected to the shooter. You can only do so much.

Ken

 

[Sundodger]

It just comes down to the fact that for a brake (suppressor brake or standard muzzle brake) to perform well, it is redirecting gas, the better it does that the less recoil, and the more sound is redirected to the shooter. You can only do so much.

Ken

No doubt, I guess I am just hopeful there is more left to optimize for with suppressor brakes because they are newish in terms of popularity to the masses.

The fact that the Tenent 1 port claims to be under 140 db with good recoil reduction is still a feat.

I just hope the improvements we have seen in suppressors over the last couple years keeps going!

 

[cbuck516]

Free lunches are hard to come by, but I was hoping for better than 137 db.

Suppressors have come a long way in terms of weight, length, and suppression in just the last couple years. I am hopeful there is more optimization left and it’s not only minor incremental gains left.

I will be completely honest and say that I used to think that the sound suppression rating was really important, but I have recently changed my perspective on that.

Firstly, I want to protect the hearing of myself and my family. Even when I am shooting suppressed, I still wear hearing protection so the sound rating really isn’t that critical to me. I don’t wear hearing protection while hunting and I occasionally won’t wear hearing protection if I am shooting in a wide open space, but that is a very low frequency of occurrence compared to the match shooting I am doing. I am exposed to ~4 shots on animals each year, but over 100 shots/month in matches, over 1200 shots/year. I am still intrigued by the sound rating, but it’s not a show stopper for me if a can gives up some sound suppression to enhance other areas of performance.

Secondly, I thought shooting suppressed would give me an advantage of not spooking game in the field, but I haven’t noticed any difference in animal behavior for suppressed shots, braked shots, or bare muzzle shots on whitetail deer and elk. Whitetails are generally easily spooked where I live so as soon as you shoot they are gone, even shooting suppressed. With elk, I have experienced the opposite and the herd tends to hang around for 10-15 minutes even without a suppresor. I am pretty stealthy while elk hunting so maybe this is part of the reason why, but I’ve been pretty amazed how long they hang around after a shot. Even when I shot an elk at 100 yards with a braked 300 PRC, several bulls actually came towards the gunshot

If you listen to the Tenet interview on the GoHunt podcast, he talked about starting with the intention of controlling the muzzle first. If I recall correctly, I think their initial intention was to design a brake, not a suppresor. I appreciated their unique approach to design and for my shooting style, it offers me something different to put in my toolbox of gear.

Crying about having more unique options to pick from is definitely a first world problem

 

[Sundodger]

I will be completely honest and say that I used to think that the sound suppression rating was really important, but I have recently changed my perspective on that.

Firstly, I want to protect the hearing of myself and my family. Even when I am shooting suppressed, I still wear hearing protection so the sound rating really isn’t that critical to me. I don’t wear hearing protection while hunting and I occasionally won’t wear hearing protection if I am shooting in a wide open space, but that is a very low frequency of occurrence compared to the match shooting I am doing. I am exposed to ~4 shots on animals each year, but over 100 shots/month in matches, over 1200 shots/year. I am still intrigued by the sound rating, but it’s not a show stopper for me if a can gives up some sound suppression to enhance other areas of performance.

Secondly, I thought shooting suppressed would give me an advantage of not spooking game in the field, but I haven’t noticed any difference in animal behavior for suppressed shots, braked shots, or bare muzzle shots on whitetail deer and elk. Whitetails are generally easily spooked where I live so as soon as you shoot they are gone, even shooting suppressed. With elk, I have experienced the opposite and the herd tends to hang around for 10-15 minutes even without a suppresor. I am pretty stealthy while elk hunting so maybe this is part of the reason why, but I’ve been pretty amazed how long they hang around after a shot. Even when I shot an elk at 100 yards with a braked 300 PRC, several bulls actually came towards the gunshot

If you listen to the Tenet interview on the GoHunt podcast, he talked about starting with the intention of controlling the muzzle first. If I recall correctly, I think their initial intention was to design a brake, not a suppresor. I appreciated their unique approach to design and for my shooting style, it offers me something different to put in my toolbox of gear.

Crying about having more unique options to pick from is definitely a first world problem

I think you are taking my statements the wrong way. It's really impressive the improvements in suppressors in the last couple years, I am hoping the suppressor brake market takes off and we can see some similar improvements in the next few years.

137 db is under the 140 db threshold for a single impact/impulse noise, which is great feat, but sometimes you need a follow up shot. My skimming though the literature indicates 137 db is not hearing safe for two impact/impulse noises in quick succession.


A short, ultralight, suppressor brake that is hearing safe for 3 rapid shots and allows easy spotting of shots on a lightweight rifle from field positions is my pipe dream. Seems like a lot to ask, but it wasn't that long ago that an Airlock or US 6S seemed impossible.

 

[cbuck516]

I think you are taking my statements the wrong way. It's really impressive the improvements in suppressors in the last couple years, I am hoping the suppressor brake market takes off and we can see some similar improvements in the next few years.

137 db is under the 140 db threshold for a single impact/impulse noise, which is great feat, but sometimes you need a follow up shot. My skimming though the literature indicates 137 db is not hearing safe for two impact/impulse noises in quick succession.


A short, ultralight, suppressor brake that is hearing safe for 3 rapid shots and allows easy spotting of shots on a lightweight rifle from field positions is my pipe dream. Seems like a lot to ask, but it wasn't that long ago that an Airlock or US 6S seemed impossible.

The numbers you are referring to are muzzle measurements, not shooters ear measurements.

I am currently shooting an Omega 300 with SDTA brake and it is quiet in an open environment, but not next to a structure. I would not hesitate to use that configuration on a hunt without hearing protection, but I would definitely carry some basic ear plugs if time allows to use them. I totally f@&$ed my hearing at rock concerts in my teens and 20’s so I’m just trying to preserve what I have left. I absolutely make my kids wear ear pro though.

I have a ZG30 on the first preorder so I will be very interested to see the sound and recoil differences compared to my current setup with the Omega 300.