TENET Q/A

[Huntnpack 2]

Any idea on when the 6.5 Reserve will be listed on the Tenet website?

@ja4wheel6
@mherne8

 

[mherne8]

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Is this outdoor lifes scoring criteria or tenants that they very misleadingly put in an email with no claim that it's theirs but not found in the actual articles? I'm asking a question on my original post because I'm not a thousand percent sure. But Im certain you're at least some degree wrong in your response.

That is a combined score of all things tested. The OL article published the quietest, lightest, most recoil reduction, etc. but when you tallied up all the things measured from their raw data that is available to the public that is how the cookie crumbled. Weight, length, sound reduction, recoil reduction.

You can do the math for yourself with the readily available data that was collected and published by OL.

 

[mherne8]

Any idea on when the 6.5 Reserve will be listed on the Tenet website?

@ja4wheel6
@mherne8

Man it’s coming. I don’t want to say an exact date. Best way to stay informed is get on that email list.

 

[mherne8]

Do you work for Tenet? You posted an extremely long response referring to the “team at Tenet” but then used “we” here as if you are speaking on their behalf officially.

I don’t necessarily care either way I just think it’s something you should be clear about if you are speaking for yourself or for the company.

I will likely be working for Tenet in the very near future. I was a skeptic and when I got my hands on the product I was so impressed I asked for a job

 

[Q_Sertorius]

I’m going to need a shovel to get through this one.

 

[dreamingWest]

@Dioni A
I received that email and went back through Outdoor Life's data looking for the correlation or a similar ranking. What was interesting, is that OL specifically writes a disclaimer to disregard any aggregates or individual company's usage of their compiled data. Basically saying, here is our test results, we can't control what these companies do with the data, readers beware.

Tenet did exactly that and made an aggregate and ranked them themselves. It is misleading. That said, I don't think Tenet created their own results or skewed the data. They were likely excited about the results and found a even more flattering way to present them.

I'm excited about Tenet as well. I may order when they become available again. It's certainly not uncommon for new product introductions in this industry to have start up issues.

 

[Dioni A]

That is a combined score of all things tested. The OL article published the quietest, lightest, most recoil reduction, etc. but when you tallied up all the things measured from their raw data that is available to the public that is how the cookie crumbled. Weight, length, sound reduction, recoil reduction.

You can do the math for yourself with the readily available data that was collected and published by OL.

That's a bs answer. They came up with their own criteria that heavily weights the features of their products in a deceptive way.

For example the tenet 6.5 limited is a louder, longer, and heavier suppressor than the zero gravity 6.5. it did better in the recoil test but that's it! How was it the best suppressor in the test?!?!

If recoil reduction is the only thing that matters a muzzle brake would have done really well in this test.

Your cookie analogy is a construct for people who can't read.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

That's a bs answer. They came up with their own criteria that heavily weights the features of their products in a deceptive way.

Indeed. That was my immediate take on it as well.

I may need to amend my previous request for a shovel. I think we might need a Greek hero and a river to get all the bs out of here. Unfortunately, I don’t think Dioni is Greek…

 

[Huntnpack 2]

I found the Tenet total score data to be consistent with their stated original product design goals & product advertising. Interesting comparative data showing the benefits in several key areas that may be of interest to potential consumers of their product.
Nothing wrong with advertising.
Other manufacturers have the same opportunities.

From Outdoor Life;

“Goals of the Test”​

“With these end users in mind, we gathered a field of suppressors, some brand new, others well-known mainstays, to see which did the best job of dampening recoil, which were quietest, which are the lightest, and which struck the best balance of all three qualities.”

 

[Dioni A]

I found the Tenet total score data to be consistent with their stated original product design goals & product advertising. Interesting comparative data showing the benefits of a product.
Nothing wrong with advertising.
Other manufacturers have the same opportunities.

I'm not trying to attack their product. It seems like they've got some really good ideas working for them. I just hate how manipulative some of it came across. Especially considering outdoor life warning about manufacturers doing that. Only to then send out that information in a way where a normal person would interpret it as outdoor life's conclusion.

 

[Mountain_Life]

I'm not trying to attack their product. It seems like they've got some really good ideas working for them. I just hate how manipulative some of it came across. Especially considering outdoor life warning about manufacturers doing that. Only to then send out that information in a way where a normal person would interpret it as outdoor life's conclusion.

Thanks for speaking out. Shady advertising doesn't sit well with me at all, regardless of how nice the product is. Seems like a completely different angle than some other new suppressor companies have taken.

Staying silent because you're not a paid sponsor? Seems like in their best interests to just become a paid sponsor to put out some fires.

And now the current voice answering questions is someone that seems very motivated to back up the "team" but we don't know what their status is? Weird.

Hopefully some suppressors hit RS customers soon so we can clear the air on all of this.

 

[HuntHarder]

Par for the course, Any "aggregate" score is pure horseshit imo.

Look for your desired priorities and find a can that excels in those categories.

 

[jonnyviceroy]

I have been hearing some pretty disappointing things about the outdoor life testing. Did tenet really take and use different guns (potentially ammo) and come up with their own scoring criteria outside what outdoor life was doing? Sounds like they totally hijacked the test and manipulated the data to win everything. Or at least say they won everything in emails they sent out.

I almost feel bad for the average guy who looks at this test and ordered a braked can without understanding things like muzzle db readings vs shooters ear and is surprised at how loud the cans will be at the ear when the test showed they were the most “quiet” looks like it does great on recoil reduction but every other criteria as you stated there are much better cans.

Looks like they are a marketing company first and foremost lol. I became completely uninterested in their product once I actually looked at the test. It’d be great to see them go to tbac summit and see how it holds up.

 

[LongWayAround]

We started shipping first week of June. We apologize for the miscommunication.

That said we ramping up big time and working as hard as we can to get everyone’s products out the door to them.

As far as communication goes, we are actively sending and replying to emails as we receive them. The only place we have fallen silent is here because of the aforementioned reasons.

We do truly appreciate your support and your patience.

So Tenet won't respond here because "they" are not a paid sponsor, but you have taken the role as "their" spokesman? So if you are or "will be" working with them "soon", is this not product promotion of an unpaid sponsor?

And then you throw in the "glory to God" bit. Seems like kind of a copout to try and buy some "grace." I don't think God cares if you shoot quietly or not.

 

[Len901]

Threads that turn into bickering fest is not productive at all and we’re not learning anything from it. This is turned into an episode of Kardashians, I think.

 

[Huntnpack 2]

For those interested Tenet has SE numbers listed on their site. Barrel lengths & ammo used included.

 

[cbuck516]

Thanks for speaking out. Shady advertising doesn't sit well with me at all, regardless of how nice the product is. Seems like a completely different angle than some other new suppressor companies have taken.

Staying silent because you're not a paid sponsor? Seems like in their best interests to just become a paid sponsor to put out some fires.

And now the current voice answering questions is someone that seems very motivated to back up the "team" but we don't know what their status is? Weird.

Hopefully some suppressors hit RS customers soon so we can clear the air on all of this.

I don't think "staying silent" is an appropriate description. They were told that they were not allowed to use this forum for commerical purposes so they are complying with that direction. I hope they will consider becoming a sponsor so they can be an active participant on this forum, but they likely have a lot of costs they are juggling right now as a startup company so I understand they may have chosen to divert their funds elsewhere, like delivering product in a timely manner.

Be patient and lets see what the recipients of these cans have to say when they receive them. If the product is as good as it is seems in the youtube videos, many of us will likely regret not buying one sooner.