Talley Lightweights or stay away?

[choovhntr]

I have a DNZ one piece on my old 300WM and had problems with it. Scope was slipping in the mount pretty bad. I'm not sure if it was the mounts fault or the shop that mounted the scope. I took it back to them, they torqued it down tighter, and it held up for just enough shots to make me feel it was good before a hunting trip. when I got back from the trip I played around with the rifle some more and noticed the scope slipping again. I since have gotten a new rifle and when I pulled the scope from the old one I noticed the ring screws loose. Long story short, I mounted the scope on my new rifle myself and switched to tps rings. Like I said I don't know if it was the shops fault (no loktite) or the mount, but have had no problems with the new mounts. I've heard nothing but good things about the DNZ, so I was shocked to have had this issue.

 

[GKPrice]

The windage-adjustable bases and the DD's use the same ring design save for how they attach to the rear base, so on the topic of a scope slipping in the rings, it should make no difference. If you've mounted both, it is pretty easy to see the similarities. The windage-adjustable bases have problems of their own, but how the rings grip the scope are identical.



No. Talley does make a defective ring evey now and then. I received one. Talley CS was excellent and sent me a replacement free of charge.

Melvin has used them "since day one" because they are his design and he sold it to Talley. That said, when I had my problem with a set of them, I called Melvin and he suspected Talley had goofed (it was a Forbes rifle and I called Melvin, thinking that the base holes in the action were misaligned - he told me that was nearly impossible with the manufacturing tools used on the rifle and to replace the rings) so even Melvin recognizes that Talley will have a defective ring leave the factory every now and then.

Yep, I know that and Leupold "rings" are pretty well designed - slippage would be caused by 2 things, maybe the torque specs on those steel rings are different or they are mismatched sets - unless you are bottomed out on the cap to bottom ring surfaces how could there be slippage unless that is the case ? it is pretty easy to tighten them to the point of scope tube damage - In the "old" days I was told to put a "pinch" of jewelers rouge on the bottoms, maybe that was the old school solution but the new rings are a slight bit rougher to abate the problem ?

 

[GKPrice]

Yep, I know that and Leupold "rings" are pretty well designed - slippage would be caused by 2 things, maybe the torque specs on those steel rings are different or they are mismatched sets - unless you are bottomed out on the cap to bottom ring surfaces how could there be slippage unless that is the case ? it is pretty easy to tighten them to the point of scope tube damage - In the "old" days I was told to put a "pinch" of jewelers rouge on the bottoms, maybe that was the old school solution but the new rings are a slight bit rougher to abate the problem ?

what I was eluding to with the "std" rings merely "floating" on the rear base which to my thinking is not as secure (but I don't think I've ever seen one of those actually fail that I can actually verify - It just may be that the designer of that style was "smarter" then I am

 

[GKPrice]

I have a DNZ one piece on my old 300WM and had problems with it. Scope was slipping in the mount pretty bad. I'm not sure if it was the mounts fault or the shop that mounted the scope. I took it back to them, they torqued it down tighter, and it held up for just enough shots to make me feel it was good before a hunting trip. when I got back from the trip I played around with the rifle some more and noticed the scope slipping again. I since have gotten a new rifle and when I pulled the scope from the old one I noticed the ring screws loose. Long story short, I mounted the scope on my new rifle myself and switched to tps rings. Like I said I don't know if it was the shops fault (no loktite) or the mount, but have had no problems with the new mounts. I've heard nothing but good things about the DNZ, so I was shocked to have had this issue.

MAYBE a pinch of jewelers rouge ain't such a bad idea

 

[16Bore]

I can't figure out why no one has made LW type rings in steel, except maybe D'arcy Echols.

 

[dotman]

I can't figure out why no one has made LW type rings in steel, except maybe D'arcy Echols.

Or titanium, you would think the talleys UL weight could be cut in half with a 5x higher price

 

[Jimbob]

Lightweights on Sauer 30-06, Tikka 30-06 and .308, savage lightweight in .243 and ruger compact in 7mm-08. The last two are new additions and not thoroughly tested but the others are holding strong after rough use. I lapp mine and torque to specs.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

I run talleys on a couple tikkas, blue Loctite on the receiver screws (properly torqued) and nothing on the scope screws (properly torqued) haven't had any issues and that includes some spills. Installing them by feel I think would certainly result in over tightening by most folks I think.

 

[luke moffat]

I have used Talley's on 6 different rifles without issue. They have always worked as advertised for me.

 

[16Bore]

I tried my best to crack bases and tops with an old set I had and couldn't manage anything but popping the heads off the screws. Not a real "test" but fun to try.

 

[mtwarden]

thanks for all the input!!!

as soon as I pick out my scope, going to order a set

 

[belly-deep]

thanks for all the input!!!

as soon as I pick out my scope, going to order a set

Just be sure to use a torque wrench. Aluminum will strip if you torque it down too tight.

 

[mtwarden]

I'm looking at the scope mounting kit by Wheeler, has the alignment bars, lapping bar, torque wrench, bits- is this an adequate kit or should I be looking at something else? Thanks

 

[belly-deep]

I have the Wheeler torque wrench. With Talley's you won't need the alignment bars, but for other scopes you might. I go back and forth on lapping. Sometimes I do it, sometimes not.

 

[16Bore]

Never lapped ring in my life.

 

[garyw]

I am in the middle of installing the talleys on my new cooper m92 7mm RM. the cooper people said use them and talley people said do not lapp them but I will lapp to about 75%.

 

[belly-deep]

I am in the middle of installing the talleys on my new cooper m92 7mm RM. the cooper people said use them and talley people said do not lapp them but I will lapp to about 75%.

75% is faaaar too much on a set of talleys

 

[doverpack12]

I'm looking at the scope mounting kit by Wheeler, has the alignment bars, lapping bar, torque wrench, bits- is this an adequate kit or should I be looking at something else? Thanks

You will need to buy or make a torx bit that will fit into the deeper socket of the base. I took a longer deck screw bit and a grinder wheel to make it small enough in diameter for the depth necessary to put the base screw in. I have the same kit and that's what I had to do. Size 15 I believe.

 

[belly-deep]

You will need to buy or make a torx bit that will fit into the deeper socket of the base. I took a longer deck screw bit and a grinder wheel to make it small enough in diameter for the depth necessary to put the base screw in. I have the same kit and that's what I had to do. Size 15 I believe.

You can buy longer ones for about 50 cents. But IIRC the one that came with my wrench worked fine for mounting lows.

 

[garyw]

Thanks for the heads up on the 75%. how much would you recommend?.thanks