Taking Equity out of Home to Go on Guided Hunts

[stalkingwolf]

HornPorn the original OP is killing rams. Is grayrider part of this or just posting his stuff on this thread?

 

[TheGrayRider]

Appreciate the update Grayrider and I am super disappointed you didn’t get a ram, was pulling for you. Still looks like an amazing adventure and thanks for sharing some pictures!

It is called hunting and not killing, however when you are shelling out that kind of dough, you would hope for better than seeing 1 legal ram in a combined month of hunting and a 30% successful rate overall. I would have to think that most people would have a hard time spending that kind of money on a low success rate hunt. This will probably just put more pressure on the areas in Canada that still have healthy populations and high success rates.

DR


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Thanks for the reply, DRHunter. I have been very blessed and thankful over the years in all of my previous hunts in various locations, both domestic and international. No worries here and no time to look backwards because I am not traveling in that direction!

Success rates and financial costs now in dall sheep hunting in many places is very comparable to hunting leopard over bait in quite a bit of southern Africa. Very general observation of 35 - 45% success rate and $50,000+ base price easily. Some areas are better than others obviously.

I have heard of hunters returning to Africa on 5 different hunts in 5 different locations with 5 different outfitters before finally killing a leopard over bait - that is dedication ( and borderline mental insanity) in my book. (Disclosure: I have only killed a leopard with hounds in Botswana which has a much higher success rate of around 85% than leopard hunting over bait.)

I would like to try the leopard hunt over bait before I get too old to travel and hunt but much like a North America sheep hunt, I would understand the overall success rate and risk-return before beginning the journey. Like life, no guarantees. Take the good with the bad.

I am already training for my next hunt - blue sheep in the Himalayan mountains of Nepal, fall 2026. Blue skies ahead…Happy hunting to all and see you on the mountain, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.

 

[Whitefox82]

The OP does realize it may take more than 4 trips to collect 4 sheep right???

 

[Whitefox82]

In my teens and twenties my dream was to get a sheep slam but didn’t have any money. Now I have money but I’m not spending that coin to hang a few sheep heads on the wall. There’s too many hunts I could do for just a few of those!! I may give in and try for a dall soon but I’m more than likely waiting to get lucky in draws. I have 17(now worthless) points in WY, and every year I end up buying another just because I can’t quit!
My wife’s been pretty nice letting me go away on my DIY hunts every year and she’s been talking Africa. So I think that may very well be where my “sheep” hunt money goes.
Best of luck to those who have the opportunity to pursue them, but to take out a second mortgage, uugghh!

 

[schmalzy]

In my teens and twenties my dream was to get a sheep slam but didn’t have any money. Now I have money but I’m not spending that coin to hang a few sheep heads on the wall. There’s too many hunts I could do for just a few of those!! I may give in and try for a dall soon but I’m more than likely waiting to get lucky in draws. I have 17(now worthless) points in WY, and every year I end up buying another just because I can’t quit!
My wife’s been pretty nice letting me go away on my DIY hunts every year and she’s been talking Africa. So I think that may very well be where my “sheep” hunt money goes.
Best of luck to those who have the opportunity to pursue them, but to take out a second mortgage, uugghh!

Not to split hairs, and I’m not the OP, but he wasn’t taking out a second mortgage. His house was paid off.


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[Whitefox82]

It’s basically splitting hairs, he’s taking out a loan and paying interest for a hunt that is insanely overpriced already. And rates that suck to boot. His money…I hope he gets his slam!

 

[270-300]

You lost me on this one.

My house appraised at about half million.

The sheep tag i put in for this year was $150. Its the same place i hunt antelope. I usually have them walking by me while im antelope hunting.

40 years ago some guy paid $600 for a hunting rifle.
Last year I paid $280 for it in a gun shop.

When i turned 18 i paid $300 for a hunting shotgun. Just had it out for snow geese yesterday.

Im married with kids, and am a few years away from paying my house off.

Do you see a pattern here?

Im guess you dont so ill explain it.

Spending more money on something doesnt make it better. But spending money you already have, on something you can afford, is what makes life enjoyable.

Financial sustainability.

Definition of what you can afford: in 2 years will you remember the use you achieved with the purchase or how you acquired the money?

If the answer is remember the use only you can afford it.

If the answer is remember the use and the money acquisition you cannot afford it.

If the answer is only remember the money acquisition, you can only dream of meeting the numbers to finance it.

Second option is no go.

Third option means you way above your head.

Be smart with money and in 10 years you will be taking all the hunts you want.

Refinance your house to hunt and you will spend 10 years dreaming about hunting everyday when your working overtime to pay for that one hunt you put your house on the line for, only for it to rain the whole time and you to miss the two shots you got.

 

[wyosteve]

OR, in 10 years you might be dead, diseased, unable to walk! Don't put off until tomorrow what you can responsibly do today!

 

[GardenHackle24]

Thanks for the reply, DRHunter. I have been very blessed and thankful over the years in all of my previous hunts in various locations, both domestic and international. No worries here and no time to look backwards because I am not traveling in that direction!

Success rates and financial costs now in dall sheep hunting in many places is very comparable to hunting leopard over bait in quite a bit of southern Africa. Very general observation of 35 - 45% success rate and $50,000+ base price easily. Some areas are better than others obviously.

I have heard of hunters returning to Africa on 5 different hunts in 5 different locations with 5 different outfitters before finally killing a leopard over bait - that is dedication ( and borderline mental insanity) in my book. (Disclosure: I have only killed a leopard with hounds in Botswana which has a much higher success rate of around 85% than leopard hunting over bait.)

I would like to try the leopard hunt over bait before I get too old to travel and hunt but much like a North America sheep hunt, I would understand the overall success rate and risk-return before beginning the journey. Like life, no guarantees. Take the good with the bad.

I am already training for my next hunt - blue sheep in the Himalayan mountains of Nepal, fall 2026. Blue skies ahead…Happy hunting to all and see you on the mountain, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.

I’m heading to Namibia in August 2026 for Leopard i will let you know how it goes. This will be my first international hunt outside of Canada and Mexico.

 

[270-300]

OR, in 10 years you might be dead, diseased, unable to walk! Don't put off until tomorrow what you can responsibly do today!

Do you work in the banking industry? Or car sales? Realtor?

 

[Ophert]

OR, in 10 years you might be dead, diseased, unable to walk! Don't put off until tomorrow what you can responsibly do today!

This is exactly what the dealership said to me when I was looking at a 2026 ram power wagon.

 

[RdRdrFan]

Do you work in the banking industry? Or car sales? Realtor?

You are being awfully judgmental and making assumptions on someone (OP and the guy you quoted) that you know nothing about. I don’t know either of them either. But you laid out your opinion on how people should handle their finances. It’s just that, your opinion. Doesn’t automatically make it right. Dang sure doesn’t automatically make it right for all situations.

Your house isn’t paid off. OP’s is paid off. Who are you to judge his financial decisions? He apparently has made some better financial choices than most that have dogged on him.

 

[Kodiak Special]

You are being awfully judgmental and making assumptions on someone (OP and the guy you quoted) that you know nothing about. I don’t know either of them either. But you laid out your opinion on how people should handle their finances. It’s just that, your opinion. Doesn’t automatically make it right. Dang sure doesn’t automatically make it right for all situations.

Your house isn’t paid off. OP’s is paid off. Who are you to judge his financial decisions? He apparently has made some better financial choices than most that have dogged on him.

Thanks for the reply, DRHunter. I have been very blessed and thankful over the years in all of my previous hunts in various locations, both domestic and international. No worries here and no time to look backwards because I am not traveling in that direction!

Success rates and financial costs now in dall sheep hunting in many places is very comparable to hunting leopard over bait in quite a bit of southern Africa. Very general observation of 35 - 45% success rate and $50,000+ base price easily. Some areas are better than others obviously.

I have heard of hunters returning to Africa on 5 different hunts in 5 different locations with 5 different outfitters before finally killing a leopard over bait - that is dedication ( and borderline mental insanity) in my book. (Disclosure: I have only killed a leopard with hounds in Botswana which has a much higher success rate of around 85% than leopard hunting over bait.)

I would like to try the leopard hunt over bait before I get too old to travel and hunt but much like a North America sheep hunt, I would understand the overall success rate and risk-return before beginning the journey. Like life, no guarantees. Take the good with the bad.

I am already training for my next hunt - blue sheep in the Himalayan mountains of Nepal, fall 2026. Blue skies ahead…Happy hunting to all and see you on the mountain, TheGrayRider a/k/a Tom.

Well stated, these hunts are a journey and an adventure.

 

[270-300]

In 30.years when all the spend big money on sheep hunt people have already spent their big money ,ill get a good deal on sheep hunt.

 

[BCDJR]

In 30.years when all the spend big money on sheep hunt people have already spent their big money ,ill get a good deal on sheep hunt.

The problem is they are now spending the money on their teenagers to get a slam in less than 18 months

 

[270-300]

The problem is they are now spending the money on their teenagers to get a slam in less than 18 months

That trend will also be gone in 30 years.

 

[7LRM]

Got you a divorce lawyer yet?

 

[BCDJR]

That trend will also be gone in 30 years.

Naw then it’ll be grandkids. Sheep hunting has become the status symbol for ever new hunter. I see folks who shot multiple slams within a decade. Some every year or every 20 months

 

[270-300]

Naw then it’ll be grandkids. Sheep hunting has become the status symbol for ever new hunter. I see folks who shot multiple slams within a decade. Some every year or every 20 months

To me its just a hard to draw $150 tag for the same place i hunt antelope.