Tag Fraud

[Seth]

With the increase in applications we’ve seen in NM, I wonder how widespread this could be? Three charged for creating fake hunter accounts to enter the draw, medically transferring tags to paying customers who believed they were getting legit tags. I don’t think it would take much to audit the transfers.

Three men charged in NM elk tag fraud scheme

Three men allegedly sold fraudulent elk tags to out-of-state hunters, rigging the system and cheating New Mexico residents out of fair draws.

www.abqjournal.com

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nm/pr/three-new-mexico-men-charged-elk-tag-fraud-and-tax-conspiracy-scheme

 

[TimbeHuntin]

“Daniel, Danial, & Lary“ sounds like the comedic evil counterpart of an esteemed law office

 

[T-Rex]

Freakin Curtis!

 

[bozeman]

You need tags to hunt in NM?

 

[LFC911]

“Daniel, Danial, & Lary“ sounds like the comedic evil counterpart of an esteemed law office

Whomever spells Larry with 1 R or Daniel with 2 A's has to be a little crooked.

 

[StupidLightweight]

As I kid, I feared anti hunters would ruin the sport we love. That's still a very real threat. As an adult, however, I realize a far more dangerous concern is the commercialization of hunting. Greed is a powerful motivator. Where there's money to be made or trophies to be had, bad actors will pop up.

 

[dtrkyman]

Make the landowner vouchers a one time sale already!


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[Seth]

This one had nothing to do with landowner vouchers. These guys allegedly created numerous fake hunter profiles, put them all in the draw, and if a fake hunter drew, they allegedly medically transferred the tag to a paying customer. The customer believed they were buying a legit tag, not a tag stolen from the public draw.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Exactly why they need to do away with the outfitter welfare draw.

 

[dtrkyman]

The landowner voucher situation is a much bigger issue than those clowns!

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Don’t allow medical transfer, only medical refunds. Fixed.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Don’t allow medical transfer, only medical refunds. Fixed.

Do away with outfitter draw..Fixed.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Do away with outfitter draw..Fixed.

Not that I disagree but separate issue I believe based on what folks said in this thread.

 

[Jethro]

Forget the fraud. I want to know how their fake accounts have such good draw results

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Not that I disagree but separate issue I believe based on what folks said in this thread.

Outfitter draw is open to R and NR.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Outfitter draw is open to R and NR.

Folks said folks were medically transferring tags, it’s a different issue is all.

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Folks said folks were medically transferring tags, it’s a different issue is all.

Correct but how did they get the tags issued to fake accounts to be able to do a med transfer?
Bet you a beer those tags were issued from the outfitter pool.

 

[Pulleye16]

Outfitter draw is open to R and NR.

Is there really something called "outfitter draw?" How does one apply for this? I'll "guide" my buddies all day long!

 

[Sccritterkiller]

Is there really something called "outfitter draw?" How does one apply for this? I'll "guide" my buddies all day long!

NM sets aside 10% of tags for folks that use an outfitter..R or NR. You pay the outfitter a deposit they give you a number you enter when put in for the draw. When you draw you pay the outfitter balance...at least that's how it worked for me.

NR without an outfitter get a 6% tag allocation. They other 84% go to Rs.

 

[pods8 (Rugged Stitching)]

Correct but how did they get the tags issued to fake accounts to be able to do a med transfer?
Bet you a beer those tags were issued from the outfitter pool.

Oh gotcha, now I'm following what you were getting at.