SWFA business model?

[redneckbmxer24]

You have an incredible gift of creative reading.

Did I misread what you said somehow? Please explain. I read exactly what you posted.

 

[ETtikka]

How does that price difference affect supply chain?

Not sure who you are quoting,,,

my point was swfa is not going to pay a premium to get bumped up in priority on the Japanese assembly line, assuming all the parts, labor , etc are lined up.

if they pay more then they would NOT be selling scopes for way less.

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[Fartrell Cluggins]

Sitting around and waiting on invested capital is not good. You need to turn over.


Say you have 100k invested into a new order of however many scopes. You have been taking orders for how long now? 6-9 months? Keep in mind that's taking orders, not taking money.

Hell yes you start selling products as soon as they show up. You have floated everything that long, you need immediate sales.

I mean, I guess all these ammo retailers should just wait to sell anything until they have enough supply to meet demand so they won't be sold out?

We agree. They need turnover. They can't turn over what they don't have much of (SWFA scopes) so it seems to me that they would get that figured out before they start dropping things that are available for turnover.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

Not sure who you are quoting,,,

my point was swfa is not going to pay a premium to get bumped up in priority on the Japanese assembly line, assuming all the parts, labor , etc are lined up.

if they pay more then they would NOT be selling scopes for way less.

"The" Japanese assembly line? Do we know they are getting bumped?

 

[Billy Goat]

We agree. They need turnover. They can't turn over what they don't have much of (SWFA scopes) so it seems to me that they would get that figured out before they start dropping things that are available for turnover.

If they don't have the capital because they are invested in their own line, how do they just buy something else?


I mean, I know nothing of their sales figures, but I think in this market I would definitely focus more on a product that I have less competition for, especially as a small retailer. When you are the only one with SWFA, you don't leave it. I wouldn't discount it either, but I suspect they are trying to recover capital quickly.

 

[ETtikka]

"The" Japanese assembly line? Do we know they are getting bumped?

They are either getting bumped or choosing not to produce their most popular models for years, this is not rocket science, this is assuming all parts and people are available in the first place

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[Billy Goat]

I'm also confident that if they decided to focus on their own scopes, they didn't think it would take this long. Lead times have gone through the roof. What was originally supposed to be 3 months turns to 9 or longer, and unfortunately you are just along for the ride.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

If they don't have the capital because they are invested in their own line, how do they just buy something else?


I mean, I know nothing of their sales figures, but I think in this market I would definitely focus more on a product that I have less competition for, especially as a small retailer. When you are the only one with SWFA, you don't leave it. I wouldn't discount it either, but I suspect they are trying to recover capital quickly.

At distributor level most accounts are invoiced and have 30 day terms with the supplier.

 

[Billy Goat]

At distributor level most accounts are invoiced and have 30 day terms with the supplier.

Correct, but unless you have immediate sales, you still don't want to have that hanging out there.


Guess that's their back order, but I can see wanting to get away from it.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

They are either getting bumped or choosing not to produce their most popular models for years, this is not rocket science

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That’s not how it works, I’m a chief procurement officer for Asian manufactured goods. You put in your order, you go in the cue, it gets made, it gets QC’d, it gets shipped via container ship. Never in the almost decade of doing this job have I ever heard of being able to pay to get bumped ahead in line and the only time production gets bumped back behind another order is if there’s a supply issue with materials or components.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

If they don't have the capital because they are invested in their own line, how do they just buy something else?


I mean, I know nothing of their sales figures, but I think in this market I would definitely focus more on a product that I have less competition for, especially as a small retailer. When you are the only one with SWFA, you don't leave it. I wouldn't discount it either, but I suspect they are trying to recover capital quickly.

Tough situation to be in for them. I certainly wasn't suggesting that they leave their SWFA line. Rather I was suggesting that they keep something in stock in the interim. If they don't have the capital to do that, is that not evidence that their business model is off the mark?

Thinking about them focusing more on their SWFA line of scopes. There can't be a whole lot of money in those scopes at the quantity they currently produce. Can they meet demand and maintain the quality that they are known for?

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Correct, but unless you have immediate sales, you still don't want to have that hanging out there.

And I guarantee you that’s why they’ve cut down what they stock and sell. They’ve been doing this a long time and know what moves and what’s profitable. I promise you that they could survive on their SWFA line alone even with the long lead times. There’s a good chance that’s exactly what they’re moving towards and that isn’t a bad business move at all.

 

[ETtikka]

From another forum,,, if non HD models are not made in LOW factory, then that explains a little

HD line is made by LOW: 1-6x24, 10x42HD, 3-9x42 and 5-20x50

Classic line is made by another manufacturer (I am not going to argue with the previously identified sticker) mostly in Japan: 6x42, 10x42, 10x42S, 12x42, 16x42, 20x42, 2.5-10x32 and 3-15x42

The Classic 1-4x24 is made in the Phillipines by the same company.

 

[Billy Goat]

Tough situation to be in for them. I certainly wasn't suggesting that they leave their SWFA line. Rather I was suggesting that they keep something in stock in the interim. If they don't have the capital to do that, is that not evidence that their business model is off the mark?

Thinking about them focusing more on their SWFA line of scopes. There can't be a whole lot of money in those scopes at the quantity they currently produce. Can they meet demand and maintain the quality that they are known for?

If they raise prices and it cuts demand it fixes a few things.


They might be trying to get a few more out there in the time being, get a little larger name.

 

[ETtikka]

That’s not how it works, I’m a chief procurement officer for Asian manufactured goods. You put in your order, you go in the cue, it gets made, it gets QC’d, it gets shipped via container ship. Never in the almost decade of doing this job have I ever heard of being able to pay to get bumped ahead in line and the only time production gets bumped back behind another order is if there’s a supply issue with materials or components.

What happens when you lose your place in line because of supply chain issues? A very common occurrence last few years

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

Next explain to the class how this contracting works and the definition to you. I can’t wait for this one.

You keep dodging what I post and asking questions that have nothing to do with SWFA's business model.

To be perfectly clear, my employment history is completely unrelated to SWFA's business model, so feel free to abandon that distraction.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Tough situation to be in for them. I certainly wasn't suggesting that they leave their SWFA line. Rather I was suggesting that they keep something in stock in the interim. If they don't have the capital to do that, is that not evidence that their business model is off the mark?

Thinking about them focusing more on their SWFA line of scopes. There can't be a whole lot of money in those scopes at the quantity they currently produce. Can they meet demand and maintain the quality that they are known for?

They have SWFA models in stock, it’s not like the entire line is out of stock.

Exactly what is the quantity that they currently produce since you are so well informed? More assumptions from someone without a clue.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

You keep dodging what I post and asking questions that have nothing to do with SWFA's business model.

To be perfectly clear, my employment history is completely unrelated to SWFA's business model, so feel free to abandon that distraction.

I haven’t dodged anything, I’m responding to the dumb shit you’re saying asking questions to see what dumb explanation you have next because at this point it’s hilarious.

So please, explain this contracting term to me since you keep throwing it around. You said it, not me.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

I haven’t dodged anything, I’m responding to the dumb shit you’re saying asking questions to see what dumb explanation you have next because at this point it’s hilarious.

So please, explain this contracting term to me since you keep throwing it around. You said it, not me.

Dude, just go back and read the abundant examples of SWFA contracting their footprint that I have already provided. I have provided many. Go pluck just one of them for discussion.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Dude, just go back and read the abundant examples of SWFA contracting their footprint that I have already provided. I have provided many. Go pluck just one of them for discussion.

I dont know WTF you’re talking about by “contracting their footprint” and I don’t think that you or anyone else does either. So I’m asking you to explain what in the actual **** you’re talking about.

I can’t handle reading the dumb shit that you post twice and it’s going to be just as incomprehensible as the first time because it makes no sense.