Stuck on Quick Drop

the target is in MOA I assume because it's close to 1 inch increments which makes sense to people and is easy to measure.

unless I missed your point, my point was human error will possibly double (or more) a math error.

if the math error equates to 5.5" inches at 550yds, (1 Moa for the parallel) a 2 MOA shooter is at 11" with no other error like wind introduced.
So, random error is part of the system (shooting, rifle, ammo, optic, position) dispersion. None random error shifts the entire cone of fire.

So, a 0.5 mil system at 300 yards will hit a 10 inch target (cone is 5.4 inches at that distance).

You shift the entire point of aim by 0.3 mils and now when you think you are aiming at the center you are actually aiming 3.25 inches closer to the edge, but will still have an ok hit rate as the edge of the 5.4 inch cone only overlaps the edge of the target by 0.9 inches. (17%). (Edit: 15% by area if target is also a circle).

Take that 10 inch target to 500 yards and it is still large enough to contain the entire cone of 9 inches, but start aiming 0.3 mils (5.4 inches) off center and now 4.9 inches (54%) is not over the target. (Edit: 88% by area if target is also a circle).

On the 500 yard example above. If your error is 0.2 mils, you shift your 9 inch cone over 3.6 inches and 3.1 inches of it is off target (34%). (Edit: 58% by area if target is also a circle).

Your angular error compounds over distance, and thus an acceptable angular error in POI at 300 yards is not an acceptable angular error at 500 yards.
 
So, random error is part of the system (shooting, rifle, ammo, optic, position) dispersion. None random error shifts the entire cone of fire.

Edit: Fumble fingered and hit post before finished typing.

So, a 0.5 mil system at 300 yards will hit a 10 inch target (cone is 5.4 inches at that distance).

You shift the entire point of aim by 0.3 mils and now when you think you are aiming at the center you are actually aiming 3.25 inches closer to the edge, but will still have an ok hit rate as the edge of the 5.4 inch cone only overlaps the edge of the target by 0.9 inches. (17%).

Take that 10 inch target to 500 yards and it is still large enough to contain the entire cone of 9 inches, but start aiming 0.3 mils (5.4 inches) off center and now 4.9 inches (54%) is not over the target.

On the 500 yard example above. If your error is 0.2 mils, you shift your 9 inch cone over 3.6 inches hand 3.1 inches of it is off target (34%).

Your angular error compounds over distance, and thus an acceptable angular error in POI at 300 yards is not an acceptable angular error at 500 yards.
great in depth explanation
 
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14.5" 243
108's @ 2710
avg gun QD(5000 DA)
38.5" end to end

avg gun Quick drop is range minus 2 (move the decimal but that becomes automatic, I mention it so people understand it)

400yds becomes 4.00
4-2 =2 Mil

600yds -2 =4Mil

742yds -2 =5.4 Mils

it's super easy to remember and convert. You can range it and do the math while you reach for the turret.
it also works across platforms and calibers, less to remember.

I have a limited hard drive. the less I have to remember, the better.

QD has a range of velocity and BC it works in. Above or below that, the quick answer is electronic solutions or a drop card.

Do you account for AJ and different DA’s when using range and QD to get your firing solution? I think QD is a good solution for humanoid targets under time stress. Your solution at 600 yards is off .2 mils under those circumstances. That’s 4” of error just from data. I don’t like dope giving me that much error when I have so many other stacking variables in the field already. If you add in a 7-10 mph right wind that becomes 6” of error, fairly significant amount.
 
Do you account for AJ and different DA’s when using range and QD to get your firing solution? I think QD is a good solution for humanoid targets under time stress. Your solution at 600 yards is off .2 mils under those circumstances. That’s 4” of error just from data. I don’t like dope giving me that much error when I have so many other stacking variables in the field already. If you add in a 7-10 mph right wind that becomes 6” of error, fairly significant amount.
my data shows .1 mil off QD at 600, but I have not trued or proven this one yet.
The data says it hits 1800 fps @ 680 yds, but my intent for this rifle is a 0-600 gun for game.
I haven't played with 6mm's starting this slow at longer ranges so I don't know what to expect past about 700.
 
So, random error is part of the system (shooting, rifle, ammo, optic, position) dispersion. None random error shifts the entire cone of fire.

Edit: Fumble fingered and hit post before finished typing.

So, a 0.5 mil system at 300 yards will hit a 10 inch target (cone is 5.4 inches at that distance).

You shift the entire point of aim by 0.3 mils and now when you think you are aiming at the center you are actually aiming 3.25 inches closer to the edge, but will still have an ok hit rate as the edge of the 5.4 inch cone only overlaps the edge of the target by 0.9 inches. (17%). (Edit: 15% by area if target is also a circle).

Take that 10 inch target to 500 yards and it is still large enough to contain the entire cone of 9 inches, but start aiming 0.3 mils (5.4 inches) off center and now 4.9 inches (54%) is not over the target. (Edit: 88% by area if target is also a circle).

On the 500 yard example above. If your error is 0.2 mils, you shift your 9 inch cone over 3.6 inches and 3.1 inches of it is off target (34%). (Edit: 58% by area if target is also a circle).

Your angular error compounds over distance, and thus an acceptable angular error in POI at 300 yards is not an acceptable angular error at 500 yards.

I updated to percentages using area. The original percentage calculation was just based on diameter, which over represents small lunes and under represents large ones. Different target shapes would give different percentages.
 
Do you account for AJ and different DA’s when using range and QD to get your firing solution? I think QD is a good solution for humanoid targets under time stress. Your solution at 600 yards is off .2 mils under those circumstances. That’s 4” of error just from data. I don’t like dope giving me that much error when I have so many other stacking variables in the field already. If you add in a 7-10 mph right wind that becomes 6” of error, fairly significant amount.
to answer the first part, yes, the current DA has to be used.

No, I don't worry about AJ inside 800. it's an insignificant source of error compared to the dispersion of the rifle and my ability to call wind.
 
The title of the fn thread had “quick drop” in it. What the hell did you think we were using to get ballistic solutions? Then you post a link to quick drop being explained. All you do is troll every thread made on here and regurgitate information you heard second hand.. then reaffirm you own question with said secondhand regurgitated information that you have no clue the mechanics or case use of. Instead of spending all your time regurgitating information maybe you should take you 25-06 out and actually learn something and experience failure points so you can actually contribute.
He’s asking you to explain the process while you just want to belittle him.


@Q_Sertorius read this if you haven’t already. It explains it since these guys won’t


 
This is the first I have heard of QD and it seems awesome. For those of you using it for hunting are you tailoring your rifle so it works? For those that are, do you hunt at a very similar DA? I’m new to a lot of this ballistic stuff and took my first long range shooting class this year so forgive me if it’s a dumb question.

What about on backpack hunts when through the hunt your elevation could change 5,000’ and 40 degrees? I do a hunt every other year where we start hiking at 1500’ and 70 degrees and then at times we will be at 7k and it’ll be snowing. How much effect would these variables have on QD and it being usable?
 
read this if you haven’t already. It explains it since these guys won't.
I didn't want to go on a pointless monolog since the link to one example was posted.
I don’t understand why someone would change the load or barrel length to align with some system. Why not just keep your dope on your rifle? What am I missing here?
The whole point of QD is QUICK, EASY math when you dont have time to do all the things like pull out a phone or maybe even check a range card. range, math in your head as you reach for the dial, dial it, shoot.

If you have all day then QD isn't necessary but it still saves effort in a lot of cases.

It really shines in a time crunch but it's not less useful with more time.

Another major benefit is its universal. it works across platforms and calibers. If my partner and I are shooting the same QD gun, I know his drop data and he knows mine when calling corrections.
Or if I have to use his gun, I know his data just from him telling me his QD factor.

higher BC bullets can start slower and carry that efficiency out far enough to be effective further than most people can or should shoot.

If the bullet doesn't need to start at 3300 fps, you can down load the cartridge or use a shorter barrel to start with less velocity.
I choose short barrel so I can add a suppressor and not have to carry a 4 foot long rifle, did that for too long.

If FAST and high BC is your thing, QD isn't for you and that's fine.

We really need a high quality video detailing QD with maybe some shooting to illustrate how it's used and when it is most beneficial.

Q and anyone else that's curious, If you true your data, QD is no more an estimation than truing your data and making a drop card for the purpose of hitting a relatively large target, 10"-16" kill zone.

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This is the data for the short 243 I'll be starting with and truing.
as you can see, from 400-700, range minus 2 is within .1 Mil of a whole number like 700yds -2 = 5Mil come up.
even at 300yds, .29 is still well within the intended target of 10" on the small side.


Yes, this is technically an "estimation", but .1 Mil is within the acceptable margin for error given the target size. A bad wind call is far more likely to cause a miss than a .1 Mil error inside 700 yds. and the dispersion of the rifle will still put you on either side of that.

If the discrepancy is linear, you can add a correction factor, say +.2 or -.2

The argument can be made for "precision" or bad data, error stacking etc, but it flat works. If it didn't, I wouldn't use it. Like anything, you have to understand the limitations.


It REALLY needs to be taught and done in person to fully grasp it. Typing it out and reading it are vastly different than having it explained, then demonstrated, then experienced first hand.
 
This is the first I have heard of QD and it seems awesome. For those of you using it for hunting are you tailoring your rifle so it works? For those that are, do you hunt at a very similar DA? I’m new to a lot of this ballistic stuff and took my first long range shooting class this year so forgive me if it’s a dumb question.

What about on backpack hunts when through the hunt your elevation could change 5,000’ and 40 degrees? I do a hunt every other year where we start hiking at 1500’ and 70 degrees and then at times we will be at 7k and it’ll be snowing. How much effect would these variables have on QD and it being usable?
yes, you have to know your approximate DA. You may have to add a correction factor to make it line up.

yes, quite a few guys are choosing cartridge/ bullet/barrel length to line up with QD.
 
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