Strategy for Colorado draw 2026/2027 with pending NR changes

[Fetty Wapiti]

Never have gotten luck in WY and been here most of my life. We have one of the worst resident draw systems out there.
Colorado will be moving to a 50% bonus draw system. Very different than a random draw like we have in Wyoming. I am starting to think someone needs to make a video to truly explain the different draws and give examples of draw probabilities in each draw system. Example... you put in for a random draw for 18 years and never draw. You have the same odds as someone applying for their first time. You put into a bonus draw for 18 years and never draw, you now have 19 tickets in the raffle next draw. The dude that just started putting in has 1. Your odds are far better than his. This is good.

 

[cnelk]

There will be NonRes applying for tags that they will have absolutely no chance in getting - because they dont understand the draw quota

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

There will be NonRes applying for tags that they will have absolutely no chance in getting - because they dont understand the draw quota

And...? Good for them.

 

[cnelk]

I am starting to think someone needs to make a video to truly explain the different draws and give examples of draw probabilities in each draw system.

Why enable them?
Are you friends with Newberg or something?

 

[MuleyFever]

I think they should have made tags acquired during the secondary draw also cost points. The way point creep is going states need to start trying to make people use points. Get a tag you lose your points no matter what.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

Why enable them?
Are you friends with Newberg or something?

With the basic understanding of draws around here, we could give them all the information and they would still f it up.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

Why enable them?
Are you friends with Newberg or something?

That and if folks understood how the draw works places like Wy and Utah would not be so messed up. You should hear the local marble mouths start squacking when there is any talk about changing the draw. They pander to the shareholders and most of ours simply cant count. We need to educate them.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Biggest doozy is R finally get a hard cap on 1&2nd choices… and re-issue is likely all but dead…

 

[Serrano]

Never have gotten luck in WY and been here most of my life. We have one of the worst resident draw systems out there.
Colorado will be moving to a 50% bonus draw system. Very different than a random draw like we have in Wyoming. I am starting to think someone needs to make a video to truly explain the different draws and give examples of draw probabilities in each draw system. Example... you put in for a random draw for 18 years and never draw. You have the same odds as someone applying for their first time. You put into a bonus draw for 18 years and never draw, you now have 19 tickets in the raffle next draw. The dude that just started putting in has 1. Your odds are far better than his. This is good.

That's how it works in UT. You still aren't going to draw a tag.

 

[Hnthrdr]

That's how it works in UT. You still aren't going to draw a tag.

The problem these guys who think bonus is the great thing, far underestimate the volume… your 20 tickets are meaningful when it’s a couple hundred, but a lot less when it’s 20 thousand

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

That's how it works in UT. You still aren't going to draw a tag.

Better than a random draw... that's math. Can't argue with it.

 

[MuleyFever]

That's how it works in UT. You still aren't going to draw a tag.

That's due to the number of tags available and doesn't have anything to do with the system. Literally half the LE tags go to the random draw. Tons of people drawing great tags with few points.

 

[Serrano]

Biggest doozy is R finally get a hard cap on 1&2nd choices… and re-issue is likely all but dead…

Adding 2nd choices to R/NR split had to be changed. NR getting 2/3 to 3/4 of many tags.

Auto-reissue is a good change too. You will have to use points for reissue.

I can't wait for those two changes. But I think the 50/50 split will be bad for most serious CO hunters. Great for some who get lucky.

 

[Fetty Wapiti]

That's due to the number of tags available and doesn't have anything to do with the system. Literally half the LE tags go to the random draw. Tons of people drawing great tags with few points.

It is not a random draw dude. You are just proving my point. A bonus draw is not a random draw... let me guess you are from Utah? Hear they have good schools...

 

[Serrano]

It is not a random draw dude. You are just proving my point. A bonus draw is not a random draw... let me guess you are from Utah? Hear they have good schools...

Bonus draw will probably up your odds to 1.5% from 1% but only if you have a good number of points.

If you hope to draw unit 10 Early elk your odds will probably be 0.015%.

 

[MuleyFever]

It is not a random draw dude. You are just proving my point. A bonus draw is not a random draw... let me guess you are from Utah? Hear they have good schools...

Nice personal attack.

It's referred to as random. Yes people get their name in the hat more times based on points then numbers are assigned randomly.

Limited-Entry and Once-in-a-Lifetime Hunts (Bonus Points)
For species like limited-entry deer, elk, moose, bighorn sheep, and bison, the draw is split 50/50.

• 50% of the permits go to the applicants with the most bonus points. In this round, applicants with the highest points compete only against each other.
• The remaining 50% are allocated in a random drawing among all remaining applicants who did not draw in the high-point round. Every bonus point an applicant has counts as an additional entry in this random draw, increasing their odds.

 

[Serrano]

Last year 51 NR used their 4th choice on a tag that takes 33 points. haha.

 

[cnelk]

It is not a random draw dude. You are just proving my point. A bonus draw is not a random draw... let me guess you are from Utah? Hear they have good schools...

There’s a Lil Rokslider that might want to re-read the forum rules.

 

[Archer86]

Never have gotten luck in WY and been here most of my life. We have one of the worst resident draw systems out there.
Colorado will be moving to a 50% bonus draw system. Very different than a random draw like we have in Wyoming. I am starting to think someone needs to make a video to truly explain the different draws and give examples of draw probabilities in each draw system. Example... you put in for a random draw for 18 years and never draw. You have the same odds as someone applying for their first time. You put into a bonus draw for 18 years and never draw, you now have 19 tickets in the raffle next draw. The dude that just started putting in has 1. Your odds are far better than his. This is good.

There are many point system in general through out the west the all suck and eventually units will point creep no way around it.

Random draws like idaho and wyomings resident draws are the best with everyone having the same odds. Wyoming has been good to me i have never drawn a top tier tag with single digit draw odds but have drawn tags in the 20 to 30 percent odds a couple times. If you are a chasing a tag with single digit draw odds even a point system is not going to help you.

Every year we here of someone pulling a premium tag in the random section of the wyoming nr draw. Hopefully that will be me in colorado in 5 to 10 years I am in no rush

Bonus points is a random draw your name just gets thrown in the drawing the amount of points you have then they randomly draw for the tags

 

[Hnthrdr]

Adding 2nd choices to R/NR split had to be changed. NR getting 2/3 to 3/4 of many tags.

Auto-reissue is a good change too. You will have to use points for reissue.

I can't wait for those two changes. But I think the 50/50 split will be bad for most serious CO hunters. Great for some who get lucky.

I agree, bonus is dumb, pure points kept predictable hunting… this is just a cash grab considering NR will now have to pay extra cash for every species, R will too but it’s like 9 bucks vs 30 or something… also not mad about auto reissue let guys who want to hunt go hunt