Stop the wolf....

[Okhotnik]

Unfortunately the pro wolf clowns think wolves can be managed with a short hunting season. Can barely control exploding populations with trapping and poison .



What’s BHA’s stance on trapping and poison to control exploding wolf populations?

 

[Okhotnik]

Folks take weeks off and travel thousands of miles to hunt big game each season. Not taking an afternoon off to help fight the expansion and proliferation of a predator that is the alleged cause of significant population decline in big game animals seems silly. You may disagree with how Buzz speaks, but he’s correct when he says hunters need to step up. While we’re bitching with each other online, our opponents are busy stepping up and affecting wildlife/land policy.

How many wolf meetings have you attended?

 

[ElkElkGoose]

How many wolf meetings have you attended?

I imagine probably more than you.

 

[Okhotnik]

I imagine probably more than you.

Doubt that

Going for 10 years but you’re the wolf expert living in a city with in a state with no wolves

Another internet’s expert

 

[ElkElkGoose]

Doubt that

Going for 10 years but you’re the wolf expert living in a city with in a state with no wolves

Another internet’s expert

Jeez you get dumber with every post. I've made 0 posts claiming any facts whatsoever about wolves. You are just arguing with yourself at this point.

 

[ElkElkGoose]

The wolf meetings are held weekdays early in the afternoon in remote areas of the state. They won't hold the meetings on weekends. Who has time and can afford to lose a day of work, drive a couple hundred miles to attend the meetings? Paid pro wolf consultants and radical activists like Buz.

the fix is in

And here you are whining about how the wolf meetings dont fit your schedule. So 10 years worth huh? You are just lashing out at anyone who says "wolf" You dont even distinguish if they are on your side or not.

I hope you aren't attending wolf meetings because you are just making us all look bad with your nonsensical bs.

 

[kiddogy]

well this is certainly a productive thread . no wonder the antis win!

 

[JG358]

So, should we just keep talking shit about each other and see where that gets us on this one? I guess on the plus side a couple folks might have found out about a petition to stop it that they didnt know about before the whole thread got reduced to name calling, ego stroking and dick measuring contest.

For anyone still reading this dribble, maybe sign the petition, go to a meeting, spread to word to people that don't have a clue this crap is going on....

 

[kiddogy]

The wolf meetings are held weekdays early in the afternoon in remote areas of the state. They won't hold the meetings on weekends. Who has time and can afford to lose a day of work, drive a couple hundred miles to attend the meetings? Paid pro wolf consultants and radical activists like Buz.

the fix is in

sure it is inconvenient. I guess it comes down to , how much do you care?

those who are passionate could find a way.

it is my opinion that buzz is a class A d-bag but he's not wrong.

 

[IdahoElk]

Our area was ground zero for the Wolf reintroduction in 94 we had all kinds of meetings in our town since it was going to impact our valley the most in the beginning.

Anyway, the vast majority of people from all over the spectrum of land use not just hunters concerned about game animals were opposed at each of the meetings that lasted a good portion of a year, all our concerns fell on deaf ears,it was then that we realized there is more to this than the warm fuzzy feeling you get knowing that all is right in the woods or science, these people had a agenda and those Wolves were getting released no matter the opposition.

I doubt anything no matter how much each sportsman gets involved will stop further reintroduction. Heck, at the time we couldn't even get the RMEF to take a stand for or against,does anyone know what their stance is today?
Most of the people for this have no idea what you are about to unleash and the expense involved controlling them,they may be fine in the Bob but it definitely changed things for the worse in central idaho.It has taken 25yrs and although I'm no expert things seem to be stabilizing.If you guys in Co. get them figure on 25yrs to get back to where you are today,that's how I see it.
Good luck

Oh,and when you do get the Wolves you better get an Iron clad contract as to the number of breeding pairs allowed,who will manage them when those numbers are exceeded and most importantly who is going to pay for the trapping,shooting of problem Wolves and depredation reimbursement expenses.

 

[kiddogy]

Our area was ground zero for the Wolf reintroduction in 94 we had all kinds of meetings in our town since it was going to impact our valley the most in the beginning.

Anyway, the vast majority of people from all over the spectrum of land use not just hunters concerned about game animals were opposed at each of the meetings that lasted a good portion of a year, all our concerns fell on deaf ears,it was then that we realized there is more to this than the warm fuzzy feeling you get knowing that all is right in the woods or science, these people had a agenda and those Wolves were getting released no matter the opposition.

I doubt anything no matter how much each sportsman gets involved will stop further reintroduction. Heck, at the time we couldn't even get the RMEF to take a stand for or against,does anyone know what their stance is today?
Most of the people for this have no idea what you are about to unleash and the expense involved controlling them,they may be fine in the Bob but it definitely changed things for the worse in central idaho.It has taken 25yrs and although I'm no expert things seem to be stabilizing.If you guys in Co. get them figure on 25yrs to get back to where you are today,that's how I see it.
Good luck

except Idaho is no where near were we were in the early 90s and colo won't be either 25 years from now.

folks just can't seem to grasp, it's not about the wolves . not even the puppy lovers really care about their fate . the wolves are simply a means to an end

the end is ,to end hunting. but beyond that the end game is to get your guns so you will submit to your new masters will.
on the plus side , once they are no longer needed the wolf lover crowd will be among the first to be erased also.

useful idiots are only tolerated while they remain useful.

 

[IdahoElk]

except Idaho is no where near were we were in the early 90s and colo won't be either 25 years from now.

folks just can't seem to grasp, it's not about the wolves . not even the puppy lovers really care about their fate . the wolves are simply a means to an end

the end is ,to end hunting. but beyond that the end game is to get your guns so you will submit to your new masters will.
on the plus side , once they are no longer needed the wolf lover crowd will be among the first to be erased also.

useful idiots are only tolerated while they remain useful.

You know,that's what we thought in 94 because no matter what science we threw at them they just ignored us,that's why I believe you're correct that this has more to do than the balanced ecosystem they claim is the goal.
The Wolf ring leader in our area "Lynn Stone"(you can google her) is a rabid anti hunter.

 

[kiddogy]

You know,that's what we thought in 94 because no matter what science we threw at them they just ignored us,that's why I believe you're correct that this has more to do than the balanced ecosystem they claim is the goal.
The Wolf ring leader in our area "Lynn Stone"(you can google her) is a rabid anti hunter.

all wolf lovers are.
some pretend they're not , like buzz, but they are.

 

[TraderMike]

except Idaho is no where near were we were in the early 90s and colo won't be either 25 years from now.

folks just can't seem to grasp, it's not about the wolves . not even the puppy lovers really care about their fate . the wolves are simply a means to an end

the end is ,to end hunting. but beyond that the end game is to get your guns so you will submit to your new masters will.
on the plus side , once they are no longer needed the wolf lover crowd will be among the first to be erased also.

useful idiots are only tolerated while they remain useful.

Be careful, as you will be quickly accused of conspiratorial/tin-foil hat paranoia. It doesn't matter how simple and obvious the "end game' is for some; the majority will never see it until it is too late. And that is how the cliche "history repeats it's self" came to be. (And it wouldn't be a "cliche" if it weren't true, right?)

 

[Okhotnik]

And here you are whining about how the wolf meetings dont fit your schedule. So 10 years worth huh? You are just lashing out at anyone who says "wolf" You dont even distinguish if they are on your side or not.

I hope you aren't attending wolf meetings because you are just making us all look bad with your nonsensical bs.

Weren't you the guy who recently complained about rockslide then said you could personally build a better web site but that was beneath you because of your superior intellect.

who are you, an anti hunting comedian or a buzz wolf troll?

Shame Colorado used to be a great state for sportsmen until the anti hunting, anti firearm mouth breeding clowns changed it.

 

[wapitibob]

Oh,and when you do get the Wolves you better get an Iron clad contract as to the number of breeding pairs allowed,who will manage them when those numbers are exceeded and most importantly who is going to pay for the trapping,shooting of problem Wolves and depredation reimbursement expenses.

If the people of CO were smart they'd have been working on that for the last year but that doesn't appear to be the case. Buzz may be a bit gruff but he's right, complaining on the internet about wolves is nothing but a circle jerk and doesn't get CO any closer to a management plan. And unfortunately, until things change, CO is doing nothing without that plan.

 

[sneaky]

Look at this guy! Defining culture of Rokslide. If you only put as much actual effort into your wolf opinions as you do yapping you might make some progress.

I can assure you I've put far more effort into it than you have, including talking to the SME on wolves who worked for over 30 years with the Alaskan department of Fish and Game running their wolf program and writing the actual manual on how to deal with them. He currently lives about an hour or so away from me in Idaho, a state that actually has wolves and manages them, something you'll never be able to do in Colorado. Perhaps you should put forth some effort, other than talking smack on the internet, getting out of your cubicle may do you some good.

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[sneaky]

Our area was ground zero for the Wolf reintroduction in 94 we had all kinds of meetings in our town since it was going to impact our valley the most in the beginning.

Anyway, the vast majority of people from all over the spectrum of land use not just hunters concerned about game animals were opposed at each of the meetings that lasted a good portion of a year, all our concerns fell on deaf ears,it was then that we realized there is more to this than the warm fuzzy feeling you get knowing that all is right in the woods or science, these people had a agenda and those Wolves were getting released no matter the opposition.

I doubt anything no matter how much each sportsman gets involved will stop further reintroduction. Heck, at the time we couldn't even get the RMEF to take a stand for or against,does anyone know what their stance is today?
Most of the people for this have no idea what you are about to unleash and the expense involved controlling them,they may be fine in the Bob but it definitely changed things for the worse in central idaho.It has taken 25yrs and although I'm no expert things seem to be stabilizing.If you guys in Co. get them figure on 25yrs to get back to where you are today,that's how I see it.
Good luck

Oh,and when you do get the Wolves you better get an Iron clad contract as to the number of breeding pairs allowed,who will manage them when those numbers are exceeded and most importantly who is going to pay for the trapping,shooting of problem Wolves and depredation reimbursement expenses.

Yep, they better get that in writing, but it still won't matter. It'll get litigated again, and the target number raised again, just like in Idaho. Most guys probably can't even give the proper definition of what a breeding pair is.

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[R_burg]

Be careful, as you will be quickly accused of conspiratorial/tin-foil hat paranoia. It doesn't matter how simple and obvious the "end game' is for some; the majority will never see it until it is too late. And that is how the cliche "history repeats it's self" came to be. (And it wouldn't be a "cliche" if it weren't true, right?)

Well - that proposal is literally the definition of a conspiracy theory, so...

Guys, just a general comment. When you want to convince a centrist of something, its usually better not to call them idiots and label them anti-hunters, especially when they are fellow members of a hunting forum.

I have no dog in this fight, but its sure hard to side with the SUPER anti-wolf people with some of the arguments laid out in this thread. There hasn't been much, if any studies or data posted. Or proof of where the money has been distributed from on the pro-wolf side.

Obviously hunting is the way I prefer to manage the herd, and the economics support it as has been pointed out here, but not everyone agrees with that and realistically we have to make room for everyone, its public land after all.

 

[blackdawg]

Maybe when the wolves are introduced into colorado, where a larger contingent from the other side of this conversation live. The wolves start crushing the heads of their beloved pets, then perhaps we will see more line up for change.

Nope, will not make a difference, remember “ya can’t fix stupid”!



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