Possibly, it's definitely water resistant but think during heavy rain it gets in at zippers and seams. During the fall it hasn't been an issue (snow/light rain), but last spring bear (heavy moisture) the bag got wet and stayed wet until I hung it with all zippers open and wiped it out. It wasn't really an issue, just something to be aware of.
Noisy is relative. Out west it hasn't been an issue, but had it for a week in south Texas still hunting/spot and stalk archery Nilgai and whitetail. I really noticed the noise then. Cordura wouldn't of been too much quieter, but it's noticeable. That is also when I noticed it snagging on everything and got a few tears, but it's south Texas, everything is pokey, dry, and sharp.
I don't want to clog up the thread, looking forward to the review, it's a bag I am definitely interested in.
I've been looking at the Tokeen pretty hard and this has been the best review I've found... wondering how it compares to the Kiowa and which would be best as a do-it-all travel/hike/gear hauler. I really like the Velcro panel in the Kiowa but this Tokeen looks a little more streamlined for moving through urban environs... have you (or anyone) been able to compare them?
Needs a mesh stretch panel on the back and bottle pockets
I haven't tried one out, but have handled one in their store. The Kiowa has more external organization and more volume overall. The Kiowa has a more substantial belt and iirc, the shoulder strap are a little more heavily padded as well. Larger volume too.
The Tokeen is lighter with the more water resistant fabric. As you say, it's definitely more streamlined.
Yeah I wouldn't complain if it had tho
Also prefer the small weight penalty for side pockets if they decide to come out with a frame friendly version. Please.I haven't tried one out, but have handled one in their store. The Kiowa has more external organization and more volume overall. The Kiowa has a more substantial belt and iirc, the shoulder strap are a little more heavily padded as well. Larger volume too.
The Tokeen is lighter with the more water resistant fabric. As you say, it's definitely more streamlined.
Yeah I wouldn't complain if it had those.
Looks like you need an Aziak inreach holder for that shoulder strapI've got about 150 miles on the Tokeen now. SG is going to send me a couple of belt pockets which will help on keeping stuff handier.
I'm using a stretch pocket from another pack for a shoulder bottle pocket (16 oz Nalgene)
I didn’t know there was such thing will investigateLooks like you need an Aziak inreach holder for that shoulder strap
You seemed like a meticulous enough guy; I figured I would just help spend your moneyI didn’t know there was such thing will investigate
Tony- they just have the attachment points, they have a bladder sleeve that hangs off of those
https://www.stoneglacier.com/collections/accessories/products/hydro-sleeve
I'm hoping they can come up with viable belt pocket(s) and a hip bottle holder
Looks like you need an Aziak inreach holder for that shoulder strap
@mtwarden does this pack have a load shelf? I don’t feel like it does but there aren’t great pictures of the frame on the website. It seems like it’s enough to do a single overnighter, but I’m curious to know if you could pack a quarter in that thing?
Challenge has been struggling with production of UltraPE. If you come across a used one or catch the restock, it might be your only chance for awhile.Interesting, every time I have visited the page it says 'coming soon'
Tokeen 2600
The Tokeen 2600 is built from the chassis of our ultralight Terminus packs with a minimalist design specialized for scouting, day rips, and endless everyday applications. An internal frame efficiently carries heavier items like spotting scopes and large water bladders while keeping the overall...www.stoneglacier.com