So I purchased the Precision Tuning course from The Push…here’s my honest opinion.

[PhongH]

I recently purchased this online course and I just wanted to post a review for people who are thinking about buying a subscription. First off, I’ve been bowhunting with a recurve for the last ten years and prior to buying this course subscription I was happy with my bareshaft tuning method, with which I further verify by shooting through paper and follow up with slow-mo video. I’ve never really had a problem tuning my bows and it was never too difficult for me to understand tuning concepts that I read about on the internet. This method has never let me down, but I’m always looking to improve any part of my shooting. After constantly hearing the buzz about this course and how it’s the “ultimate masterclass on tuning” and that it’s going to elevate my tuning to the next level I purchased a subscription.

For the most part Cody and Matt do a decent job of explaining all the various tuning methods and they also go into bow geometries as well as archery gear and how each piece of gear may affect your overall shooting/tuning. But, if I’m being frank, this was a very basic overview of tuning. If I’m being even more honest, I wish they would’ve spent a little more time explaining things in greater detail, for example I felt like they didn’t explain bareshaft tuning well enough. It also seemed like they were a little pressed for time because some of the modules seemed rushed.

There is only one concept discussed in this course that I have never come across on the internet, and I will not repeat that concept here out of respect for Matt and Cody, but as I tried to implement this concept into my tuning process I did not observe the results that they talked about and quite frankly I’m a little skeptical about its validity. Other than that there is nothing really new or ground breaking in this course and I came away from this course with nothing gained as I can achieve the same results as Cody and Matt by tuning my bows the way I have always tuned them.

Overall, it’s not a bad course but I personally feel that you don’t need to buy this course to learn how to tune a bow. This course seems to be made for people who either have a hard time grasping tuning concepts or for people who are very new to single-string archery, but if you can already achieve bullet holes through paper and can group bareshafts with fletched shafts, you might want to skip this one and put your $200 towards hunting tags.

 

[mtfallon]

Thank you for this, I was debating on checking this out

 

[Blurry1]

Thanks for this. I have always been a little skeptical of all these very expensive online courses that don’t have any in person coaching. Not that some of them can’t be good. I just think a lot of us who are dedicated have already figured that information out.

 

[Aaron W]

I found value and enjoyed the course. A benefit is that there is a lot of information all in one spot and organized in a way that they felt would be best consumed. There is a lot of good info for all levels. I could be wrong but the authors will interact with you if you have specific questions or issues.

They put a lot of time and effort into to producing the course so I’m not sure why it should or would be free. Also, if there is a market at that price then giving it away for free seems unlikely. I do find myself hesitant with courses like this, perhaps it is the price.

I think the price is almost right. $200 doesn’t get you very far these days. I purchased it when it was released which was 3 years ago. I plan to rewatch some.

 

[PhongH]

I found value and enjoyed the course. A benefit is that there is a lot of information all in one spot and organized in a way that they felt would be best consumed. There is a lot of good info for all levels. I could be wrong but the authors will interact with you if you have specific questions or issues.

They put a lot of time and effort into to producing the course so I’m not sure why it should or would be free. Also, if there is a market at that price then giving it away for free seems unlikely. I do find myself hesitant with courses like this, perhaps it is the price.

I think the price is almost right. $200 doesn’t get you very far these days. I purchased it when it was released which was 3 years ago. I plan to rewatch some.

Everyone’s mileage will vary, and if you found value commensurate with the $200 price tag then there’s nothing wrong with that. But I still stand by what I said, that this information was already available before this course came along and you don’t need to pay $200 to learn how to tune a bow when you can easily do it with a simple google/youtube search.

 

[Beendare]

Lots of quality shooting info on the internet for free if you search. Tom Clum, Jake Kaminsky, etc....but you can't blame these guys for trying to monetize it.

They are taking advantage of the fact that , few want to work or search for something- people want it handed to them...and these guys are providing that service.

 

[PhongH]

Lots of quality shooting info on the internet for free if you search. Tom Clum, Jake Kaminsky, etc....but you can't blame these guys for trying to monetize it.

They are taking advantage of the fact that , few want to work or search for something- people want it handed to them...and these guys are providing that service.

I agree with you, I’m certainly not blaming them for trying to make money, perhaps my post seemed like that but it’s not the case. If there’s a market and people are willing to pay for this info then good for them.

 

[Beendare]

I agree with you, I’m certainly not blaming them for trying to make money, perhaps my post seemed like that but it’s not the case. If there’s a market and people are willing to pay for this info then good for them.

Yeah, thats the good thing about forums like this, people can search and find quality info like your commentary.

The bad thing about forums is you get a lot of, "Mine is better" most guys tend to do the opposite of what you did and justify their spending.

 

[GLB]

I bought it a couple years ago out of curiosity more than anything. I have been at this game a long time and I have a good tuning method that works for me through many years of trial and error. I also like to learn how others are doing it as well.

So I did pick up a couple nuance in tuning that they explained very well. However there was nothing major in the program that I didn’t already know about.

If you are new to tuning I would recommend. If you have a good tuning method I don’t think it is worth the $

 

[Wilderlife]

Interesting thread!

I love 'The Push' and Matt. I also love the tuff that Cody Greenwood puts out. I also bought the Solid Archery Mechanics course years ago and re-visit it whenever I feel like I need to.

I was conidering whether I should buy the Precision Tuning course or not, but I was worried there wouldn't be much in there that would be new to me. I figured if I knew about manipulating point weight, arrow length, tiller, centreshot of a rests, brace height, and was capable of shooting consistently through paper and making decisions based on accurate paper tears, there may not be much else I need help with.

I'm far from an expert and won't ever claim that I don't have anything new to learn, but I was trying to be realistic in what I might hope or expect to get for the money if I bought the course. I imagine it's the kind of thing that newer people might invest in to go over the basics in one spot, in a lot of detail.

 

[PhongH]

Interesting thread!

I love 'The Push' and Matt. I also love the tuff that Cody Greenwood puts out. I also bought the Solid Archery Mechanics course years ago and re-visit it whenever I feel like I need to.

I was conidering whether I should buy the Precision Tuning course or not, but I was worried there wouldn't be much in there that would be new to me. I figured if I knew about manipulating point weight, arrow length, tiller, centreshot of a rests, brace height, and was capable of shooting consistently through paper and making decisions based on accurate paper tears, there may not be much else I need help with.

I'm far from an expert and won't ever claim that I don't have anything new to learn, but I was trying to be realistic in what I might hope or expect to get for the money if I bought the course. I imagine it's the kind of thing that newer people might invest in to go over the basics in one spot, in a lot of detail

You’re spot on, it may be a better course for people who just want all the info in one spot and aren’t afraid to pay for that convenience. But for someone like yourself who can shoot consistent tears through paper Id be willing to bet that you probably already know everything that is taught in this course. But a lot of good points have been made from people who previously posted on this thread, points that I did not consider. If that aligns with you then have fun with it.

 

[ScottinPA]

I agree with the OP and GLB. Been doing this a long time and have good results with the spine calc, bareshaft, broadhead shooting method.
My take: I'm a bowhunter and if my arrows fly well with broadheads to 40 yds, it's good enough. Not saying you cannot strive for better but I won't try to get a 2" group at 40 to the point where it takes the fun out of it. I'd rather work on shooting from weird positions that may come up in hunting and trying to get closer to mature animals. I've met and spoke with Matt a few times, good guy. I'm always skeptical of marketing schemes that try to separate me from my money.
Same with "aiming" method. I shoot instinctive, it just works well for me. Dad taught me gap and string walking when I was a tyke but instinctive just felt right.
To each his own.

 

[Grand Passage]

Thank you for posting the review. I have been on the fence about purchasing this course, but had been wondering what if any new and revolutionary material they would have to offer.

 

[ozyclint]

A mate feels he had a similar experience with the Joel Turner Ironmind thing.

The Psycho trigger thing might be useful but it takes too long to execute which makes it limited in hunting situations where most of the time the animal dictates the timing of the shot.
You can't call in a fox to 10 yards, stop it then go through a slow mantra. you can't go through a slow mantra when a buck walks into a shooting lane for 1 second. The hunting scenarios where I can shoot in my own time at a guess would be at best 20%.

Joel was in Australia and when asked how to shoot in time pressured scenarios he simply said words to the effect- "just do it in auto"

80% of hunting is "in auto", there's just isn't the time to go through a slow controlled process.
For situations where you can shoot in your own time I can see merit. Hunting just isn't in your own time often enough.

You need a fast controlled process

 

[PhongH]

A mate feels he had a similar experience with the Joel Turner Ironmind thing.

The Psycho trigger thing might be useful but it takes too long to execute which makes it limited in hunting situations where most of the time the animal dictates the timing of the shot.
You can't call in a fox to 10 yards, stop it then go through a slow mantra. you can't go through a slow mantra when a buck walks into a shooting lane for 1 second. The hunting scenarios where I can shoot in my own time at a guess would be at best 20%.

Joel was in Australia and when asked how to shoot in time pressured scenarios he simply said words to the effect- "just do it in auto"

80% of hunting is "in auto", there's just isn't the time to go through a slow controlled process.
For situations where you can shoot in your own time I can see merit. Hunting just isn't in your own time often enough.

You need a fast controlled process

I’ve been on the edge about the Shot IQ course as well. Thanks for that piece of info, it sounds like it’s as I suspected, a good course but it may not serve me practically in those kinds of hunting situations.

 

[Arctic Hunter]

Ken Beck’s DVD that came with my first widow has worked for me for years. And now it’s free to watch.

I feel like $200 would be better spent somewhere else.

 

[Beendare]

I'm glad you posted this thread.

These courses are good info...but it's info that is readily available in many places on the internet.

Now if a guy wants to pay to have the convenience, thats his prerogative. Even though with AI now, you could probably ask the question and get the course in one long answer- grin

 

[cck311]

When I went and got some in person instruction at the RMSG store in Denver, I didn't shoot with Tom, but an older fella who I think was named Ray. He recommended the Jake Kaminski YouTube channel to me. I was already aware of both Jake's channel and the solid archery mechanics course. I was doing both the solid archery mechanics course and watching Jake's channel. I was surprised that he recommended Jake's channel instead of trying to shill the Solid Archery Mechanics course to me, but I respected it! Buying the course for $200 felt really unnecessary with everything that Jake was providing for free. I honestly feel that (for me personally, at least) Jake explains things a little better. I guess one thing that helps you get your money's worth out of the course is that you can go to Tom with questions that you have if you are struggling with certain concepts.

 

[Trumpkin The Dwarf]

I bought the shot Iq course purely out of appreciation for Joel Turner making trad fun again. It’s intellectually new data that didn’t exist before. I could, and did, find the info online that got me out of target panic hell. But that was fine by stalking Joel Turner online for years… once I saw it worked, I valued Joel’s original content enough to buy the course.

The tuning masterclass interested me, but not enough to spend the money. Getting real good with bareshaft tuning is a headache, and learning to read false weak/fake nock height issues, etc is annoying af… but I learned how to get a perfect tune the hard way. No need to spend enough money for another dozen arrows when those guys didn’t come up with anything new.

 

[mtfallon]

Code Greenwood was recently on the Push podcast and they had a discussion about tuning, I enjoyed it.