Snyder core - heavier broadhead vs heavier insert

[Jg48]

Thinking about moving to Snyder core system with either Sirius Orion or BE ximpact

Planned total weight upfront is 210 and I will be glueing with hotmelt as aron suggests.

Any difference in durability or anything between 200gr SB and no insert and 10gr collar vs SB 135 and 25r collar and 50 gr insert?

Thanks in advance for replies - this forum is great and very informative!

 

[Topo_trekker]

You may have a slight durability advantage with second setup. The first setup positions the threads closer to collar. The farther you can spread out end of collar and end up insert/threads the better. Seen collar system and insert break shaft when they are close... Most guys here will say doesn’t matter…

What ever setup you choose try to get arrow length to coincide/tune with end of insert slightly in front of rest blade. I’ve seen some funky flight happen when you get that insert to far behind rest(closer to you).


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[Jg48]

You may have a slight durability advantage with second setup. The first setup positions the threads closer to collar. The farther you can spread out end of collar and end up insert/threads the better. Seen collar system and insert break shaft when they are close... Most guys here will say doesn’t matter…

What ever setup you choose try to get arrow length to coincide/tune with end of insert slightly in front of rest blade. I’ve seen some funky flight happen when you get that insert to far behind rest(closer to you).


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I have a abnormally long DL, 33.5 (6’8” almost 7ft wingspan) and arrows will be uncut at 32. But even then point is closer than average to my hamskea rest. If I go with the longer insert option then the insert will definitely be behind the arrow rest. Maybe I should go with the heavier head then?

 

[Topo_trekker]

I’d set your hamskea all the way back. I can cut about 2” shorter than DL off shaft for tuning purposes on mine. Also can cut down those collars to about a 1/2” too.

With that long of draw and arrow, tuning will be more difficult. I’m 30.5 draw and have more trouble than buddies who have 28.

What’s the reason you’re going with micros?

One suggestion. You might consider 204s for the sole purpose of being able to play with insert weights on the cheap for tuning. Hell I’ll send you a 16, 50, 75, and 100 for free if you’d like.


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[Jg48]

I’d set your hamskea all the way back. I can cut about 2” shorter than DL off shaft for tuning purposes on mine. Also can cut down those collars to about a 1/2” too.

With that long of draw and arrow, tuning will be more difficult. I’m 30.5 draw and have more trouble than buddies who have 28.

What’s the reason you’re going with micros?

One suggestion. You might consider 204s for the sole purpose of being able to play with insert weights on the cheap for tuning. Hell I’ll send you a 16, 50, 75, and 100 for free if you’d like.


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Main reason for going micro was to try and find a better FOC without having a super heavy 650-675 grain arrow. With Sirius Orion 200s and 210 upfront im somewhere around 600 gr taw and foc around 15%

 

[nphunter]

I have a abnormally long DL, 33.5 (6’8” almost 7ft wingspan) and arrows will be uncut at 32. But even then point is closer than average to my hamskea rest. If I go with the longer insert option then the insert will definitely be behind the arrow rest. Maybe I should go with the heavier head then?

I have had zero tuning issues with the insert's behind the rest, many others are the same. I honestly believe that whatever issues he is having with tuning with inserts behind the rest have zero to do with that, maybe a spine issue or contact issues but where the insert is in correlation to your rest should make no difference at all in your ability to get an arrow to tune properly.

 

[Jg48]

I have had zero tuning issues with the insert's behind the rest, many others are the same. I honestly believe that whatever issues he is having with tuning with inserts behind the rest have zero to do with that, maybe a spine issue or contact issues but where the insert is in correlation to your rest should make no difference at all in your ability to get an arrow to tune properly.

That’s reassuring. I went with the heavier insert/lighter broadhead, mainly because IW was out of stock of the 10gr collar in the size I needed. Thanks for the input!

 

[Ucsdryder]

Snyder just did a podcast and basically said he hated the 4mm. Pretty funny since he has a system named after him.

 

[nphunter]

That’s reassuring. I went with the heavier insert/lighter broadhead, mainly because IW was out of stock of the 10gr collar in the size I needed. Thanks for the input!

I believe that's a better choice, more options for heads, and more weight inside the arrow means less leverage outside. I'm running 100gr insets, 25gr collars and 100gr heads, I've run 75gr brass HIT's for years with zero issues, was happy to see the 100gr inserts come out. I like durable arrows and having a SS HIT up front surrounded by a SS collar is a great combo. My arrows are cut so at full draw my collar is about 1/4" from my rest, so my insert is probably 1 1/2" or more behind my rest. I have perfect BS flight, hitting right with my fletched arrows.

 

[Jg48]

Snyder just did a podcast and basically said he hated the 4mm. Pretty funny since he has a system named after him.

I’ll have to give it a listen. I’m set on trying this set up out though. I’m pretty sure the only reason he collaborated on the Snyder core was because he did not like 4mm at all and this system was the best way to solve, or attempt to solve, a lot of the issues with 4mm. Thanks for the input!

 

[Kilboars]

Just curious whats your speed with those 600g arrows?

 

[NJDiverDan]

Jg48, I would be really curious to hear the final outcome here. I also have a long DL of 33" and I have had a terrible time with arrow spine if I put anything extra up front beyond a 125 grain BH and regular insert. Are you putting any weight on the back of the arrow?

 

[Jg48]

Jg48, I would be really curious to hear the final outcome here. I also have a long DL of 33" and I have had a terrible time with arrow spine if I put anything extra up front beyond a 125 grain BH and regular insert. Are you putting any weight on the back of the arrow?

Not planning anything beyond arrow wrap and 3 fletch aae max stealth. We’ll see how it turns out , don’t have them yet but will update on how it tunes when I get it all set up. All the spine calculators are putting me on the stiff side with 200, but won’t really know until I start shooting.

 

[TheViking]

Snyder just did a podcast and basically said he hated the 4mm. Pretty funny since he has a system named after him.

what was the name or the number of it, curious to listen.

 

[Jg48]

Just curious whats your speed with those 600g arrows?

Not sure yet. Atlas has a peak draw weight 74.5# 80% lo and 33.5dl. Previous set up (same bow with diff cam mod) with 70# 33dl 85lo was sending 571 taw at 271fps. Once I get everything tuned (hopefully) with new set up I’ll update. Thanks

 

[Ucsdryder]

what was the name or the number of it, curious to listen.

It was one of the last ones with the guys from Easton/sevr.

 

[cured_ham]

I would go with the 135 with longer insert. I would expect zero durability issues unless you are shooting a super low GPI shaft that is brittle. FYI I shot these at 32.5 inch draw all season without issues.