Sleeping bag for 10deg and colder

[Wy_elk_hunter]

I currently have a western mountaineering badger which is a great bag. I do find myself getting cold when the temps dip below 10 deg. Any recommendations for a wider bag that’s better for colder temps. I love the badger because I toss and turn so a wider is a must. I also backpack hunt so weight is a concern. I am not worried about cost as much as I am about the quality of the bag.

 

[mrbillbrown]

Sounds like you need a 0* WM Kodiak.


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[ahlgringo]

I was having the same problem as described. Needed a bag to cover 3rd season temps. I sold my Badger and got a GWS Kodiak as alluded to above. Problem solved

 

[Where's Bruce?]

Try the EE Conundrum and Hoodlum with an EXPED Winter mat under you and you'll never sleep in a traditional bag again. Mines -10* and works for any temp under 40.

 

[zacattack]

I currently have a western mountaineering badger which is a great bag. I do find myself getting cold when the temps dip below 10 deg. Any recommendations for a wider bag that’s better for colder temps. I love the badger because I toss and turn so a wider is a must. I also backpack hunt so weight is a concern. I am not worried about cost as much as I am about the quality of the bag.

Check out the feathered friends puffin, it’s semi-rectangular

 

[Wy_elk_hunter]

Check out the feathered friends puffin, it’s semi-rectangular

Will do, thanks

 

[Vandy321]

buy a kifaru woobie to throw on top of your badger...doubles as an excuse to buy a woobie for late season glassing.

I'm a weird cold sleeper, I've been toasty warm at a confirmed 3 deg night in my backyard in my badger, and then this Sept I was pretty cold, but not too cold to sleep in the teens a few nights, same pad, same tent, same base layer on.

I'm starting to think how warm I am prior or what I've had for dinner prior to crawling in my bag really makes the biggest difference.

Could also boil a nalgene full of water and it'll heat that badger all night if you put it down at your feet.

 

[c1nc1nnatus]

if you’re looking for an excuse to buy another bag, feathered friends and western mountaineering are the cream of the crop. stone glacier’s chilkoot 0 might also be worth a look if you are intrigued by a hydrophobic down.

i would not buy a quilt for temperatures creeping down towards 0 unless you are extremely concerned about weight or you are looking to prove something.

 

[c1nc1nnatus]

I'm starting to think how warm I am or what I've had for dinner prior to crawling in my bad really makes the biggest difference.

you’re spot on. the more temperatures drop, the more this matters.

 

[Akicita]

I currently have a western mountaineering badger which is a great bag. I do find myself getting cold when the temps dip below 10 deg. Any recommendations for a wider bag that’s better for colder temps. I love the badger because I toss and turn so a wider is a must. I also backpack hunt so weight is a concern. I am not worried about cost as much as I am about the quality of the bag.

You have the right bag. . . you need to consider layering up under it. I have been known to wear ultralight down pants and a Mountain Hard Wear Ghost Whisperer hoody in my Western Mountaineering bag on several winter mountaineering trips.

 

[Cspraggins]

I have a western mountaineering bristlecone and its is beyond warm. its a -10F bag that is semi-rectangular. It certainly isnt ultra-light, but it still packs down well and I never worry about being cold.

 

[Beendare]

How about having down added to your badger?

Crucial to have a good pad…or add a waffle matt to your existing.

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

How about having down added to your badger?

Crucial to have a good pad…or add a waffle matt to your existing.

You may get 7-10 additional degrees. May or may not be worth it.

 

[Pro953]

Just to piggyback here. What type of insulated pad is everyone using?

I had a older BA insulated pad I liked but it started leaking to I replaced it with the new q-core insulated. They were great and did it under warranty. I was in Wyoming last month and it dropped into the low teens/upper single digits and I was warm in my 15 degree bag still but I could feel the heat being sucked out of me through the ground. I threw on my puffy layers and that helped but would like more insulation from the pad.

It looks like the Q-core is only 3.2 where the Neoair xtherm is over 6. Maybe the pad was just not up to the task.

I have not camped in snow much so the first night o cleared the snow to the ground thinking that would be better, the second night I slept on the snow and seemed warmer as well. Does the snow ironically provide some insulation in these cases vs the bare ground?

This was a bit cooler than normal for me so it added to the learning curve a bit.


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[*zap*]

So, what pad are you using with the badger? Could be just a warmer pad may do the trick....maybe a woobie also....that may give you greater versatility unless your going to get another bag and keep the badger.

 

[Beendare]

Just to piggyback here. What type of insulated pad is everyone using?

Del

 

[Pro953]

Adding a waffle matt under your existing pad does 2 things;
it protects your matt from punctures and usually more than doubles the R value of your existing pad.

I’ve never felt the cold through a waffle paired with my Exped Synmatt…though Ive never used it in sub zero weather.

Interesting, might give that a test, plus a little coverage in case you get a leak you still have some insulation.


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[Vandy321]

Adding a waffle matt under your existing pad does 2 things;
it protects your matt from punctures and usually more than doubles the R value of your existing pad.

I’ve never felt the cold through a waffle paired with my Exped Synmatt…though Ive never used it in sub zero weather.

If you believe the "science"...it doesn't double the r-value, per say, but they r-values of the two pads are cumulative.

That's just what the r-value testing has shown. So a 2.5r foam and a 8r exped are a total of 10.5r

 

[*zap*]

There is a guy on utube in Norway that sleeps in tent and/or under the stars in very cold conditions and uses 1-2 waffle's over his inflatable pad and I believe the inflatable is not a crazy high r value but a summer pad....he uses a wm lynx gws. I will look for that info and post it if I find it.

 

[Vrybusy]

Thanks for sharing those videos. Thats some chilly weather for sure!