SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[Marbles]

I don’t know at what temp they fail, but Ti doesn’t melt until 3000f. I also know Ti doesn’t transfer heat well.

The strength of Ti declines as it heats up. SiCo uses grade 5 and 9, the below is for grade 5, Ti 6Al-4V.

 

[jkoehle1]

The strength of Ti declines as it heats up. SiCo does not specify type of Ti they use, only grade. The below is for Ti 6Al-4V.
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Geade 5 and 9

 

[Marbles]

Geade 5 and 9

Yeah, I'm an idiot, grade does refer to alloy on Ti. What I posted above is for grade 5.

 

[TheM1DoesMyTalking]

Moving forward, I will likely only purchase additive manufactured silencers.
- Better Designs/Quieter/Lighter
- NO welds to worry about. If your silencer has 8 welds, that is 8 opportunities for failure.
- Warranties are super easy now as most designs have provisions to be re cored quickly

I don't recall seeing a single reported case of a structural failure of a 3D printed silencer, even from a few years ago from the early adopters. The processes are maturing and in a short time from now it will likely not even be cost effective to cut chips to produce and sell a silencer.

There is a new 3D printed suppressor from B&T, the Print-X Ranger, that looks like it was designed to go head to head with the Scythe based on the specs and that it's being marketed as a hunting can.

@PLhunter started this thread about it.

 

[just.mark]

Just put 140 rounds of 7mm PRC through my Scythe-TI. No Issues. Looks like a 10% failure rate based on the Survey. I am okay with that for what it delivers. Light, short, and 10% failure rate- at least you know what you're getting.
Kind of reminds me of the Vortex buying experience. Great scope but 1 out of 4 has been warrantied, I still buy Vortex.

Not trying to distract from the ongoing discussion on titanium engineering. I am really enjoying the knowledge being shared; thank you all for contributing.

 

[Marbles]

There is a new 3D printed suppressor from B&T, the Print-X Ranger, that looks like it was designed to go head to head with the Scythe based on the specs and that it's being marketed as a hunting can.

@PLhunter started this thread about it.

From the Reddit on it, sounds like 140.3 dB from a 16 inch 308, so a touch loud. Very interesting can though (perhaps just because of the lack of information on it).

 

[TheM1DoesMyTalking]

From the Reddit on it, sounds like 140.3 dB from a 16 inch 308, so a touch loud. Very interesting can though (perhaps just because of the lack of information on it).

Could be, but hard to say until more info is available. IIRC, Silencer Summit and Pew Science test on 20" .308 rifles, not 16". B&Ts stat also doesn't say which microphone position or any other details. Maybe the Print-x Ranger will be included in the 2025 Summit and we can get a good comparison.

 

[PPace07]

Just put 140 rounds of 7mm PRC through my Scythe-TI. No Issues. Looks like a 10% failure rate based on the Survey. I am okay with that for what it delivers. Light, short, and 10% failure rate- at least you know what you're getting.
Kind of reminds me of the Vortex buying experience. Great scope but 1 out of 4 has been warrantied, I still buy Vortex.

Not trying to distract from the ongoing discussion on titanium engineering. I am really enjoying the knowledge being shared; thank you all for contributing.

A 10% failure rate for a can that costs $1,000 doesn't seem appealing...

 

[Q_Sertorius]

A 10% failure rate for a can that costs $1,000 doesn't seem appealing...

A 10% failure rate with the chance of crippling injury sounds like a products liability attorney’s wet dream.


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[intunegp]

A 10% failure rate for a can that costs $1,000 doesn't seem appealing...

A 10% failure rate with the chance of crippling injury sounds like a products liability attorney’s wet dream.

A 10% failure rate seems to only exist in this thread

 

[Q_Sertorius]

A 10% failure rate seems to only exist in this thread

Maybe so… but anyone suggesting that a 10% rate is in anyway acceptable is smoking crack. And not the good kind.


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[Q_Sertorius]

Even if we assume that “only” 1% of cans fail catastrophically, that’s still enough potential plaintiffs for a class action lawsuit or a series of cases that could destroy Silencer Company.

Especially given their lack of any real restrictions on their use coupled with customer service statements that “they only fail due to improper use or abuse.” When they have to know this isn’t true.

Any consumer reading the advertisements for the Scythe TI and doing ordinary due diligence into the product is going to see “no restrictions” and “all failures are due to user errors like magazine dumps.” And then someone - maybe a child? - will get his shoulder and or eye socket shattered using a bolt gun “properly” and become the “new owner” of SiCo.


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[intunegp]

Even if we assume that “only” 1% of cans fail catastrophically, that’s still enough potential plaintiffs for a class action lawsuit or a series of cases that could destroy Silencer Company.

Especially given their lack of any real restrictions on their use coupled with customer service statements that “they only fail due to improper use or abuse.” When they have to know this isn’t true.

Any consumer reading the advertisements for the Scythe TI and doing ordinary due diligence into the product is going to see “no restrictions” and “all failures are due to user errors like magazine dumps.” And then someone - maybe a child? - will get his shoulder and or eye socket shattered using a bolt gun “properly” and become the “new owner” of SiCo.

That would either appear to be a risk they're willing to take, which seems unlikely, or something they're not concerned about based upon the number of cans failing versus the number of cans sold.

They have recalls on five different cans they've produced in the past...cans, according to them, with welding defects that could lead to catastrophic failures. If they had enough evidence of exploding Scythes to warrant adding it to the list, I don't think they would hesitate to do so.

Again, I'm not advocating for or against anyone. I just think this thread attracts people who have experienced failures and ignores those who haven't. I would assume that a majority of Scythe owners who haven't experienced issues aren't seeking out this information/finding this thread, and aren't included in the voting.

SilencerCo is a massive company that has been in the market for a long time...I'm sure they and their legal team have a process or baseline for determining when the number of warranty claims warrants a response from them.

 

[WiscoHoundsman]

They don’t seem to be changing their message on barrel restrictions or semi-auto use. This was from an email 2 days ago. I take it as they don’t think they have a problem or are not that concerned.

 

[ScreamingPotato]

Even if we assume that “only” 1% of cans fail catastrophically, that’s still enough potential plaintiffs for a class action lawsuit or a series of cases that could destroy Silencer Company.

Especially given their lack of any real restrictions on their use coupled with customer service statements that “they only fail due to improper use or abuse.” When they have to know this isn’t true.

Any consumer reading the advertisements for the Scythe TI and doing ordinary due diligence into the product is going to see “no restrictions” and “all failures are due to user errors like magazine dumps.” And then someone - maybe a child? - will get his shoulder and or eye socket shattered using a bolt gun “properly” and become the “new owner” of SiCo.


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You know there's some overzealous anti-gun attorney that would love to chase that down.

 

[mtwarden]

If they changed the recommendations to something along the lines of Jolene, any idea on how many of the reported ones here that would that have changed?

 

[Jbehredt]

If they changed the recommendations to something along the lines of Jolene, any idea on how many of the reported ones here that would that have changed?

Nearly all.

 

[mtwarden]

^ interesting

 

[waspocrew]

Nearly all.

Is there an updated list of failures with more barrel lengths listed? From what I saw in this thread, following restrictions for the Jolene would have likely prevented some, but not nearly all of the failures. Several failures were on 22” 300 PRCs which is the min barrel length for the Jolene.

 

[Tahoe1305]

No. It is the best IMO given what you asked.

For length/weight. It’s 7” can performance in a 6” package. I haven’t heard/researched/personally experienced a 6” can with equal performance.

Yes there are quieter 7” cans. But it’s close.

Edit. Only one I haven’t seen a comparison directly on is the Banish Backcountry. If that was close to Scythe it would be interesting…except you have to deal with SC.

Guy on LRH said he just tested backcountry vs scythe on same rifle. Said wasn’t even close in any category. A bit of a bummer…but validates scythe is a good short can.