SilencerCo Scythe Ti failures

[2GRFE]

Cast my vote as no.
200 Rounds. 20" 6.5CM. Early S/N.

Couple of thoughts.

1) The Scythe is one of the most aesthetically pleasing silencers IMO, the welds cosmetically look beautiful which is the irony here given the failures we are seeing.

2) If this is a fatigue problem due to inadequate weld penetration. (Sico's first all Ti Design), it may take a while for issues to crop up given the use case for this silencer for most people is for hunting and thus round counts will be very much on the low side. Im curious to hear experiences from people with high round counts at this point.

Compare the DA fiasco with the Sierra5, where people would throw them on MK18s and do mag dumps which reveals problems much faster than people working on their reloads and checking zeros a few times a year.

3) Best case scenario, Sico has concrete evidence of a range of S/N associated with bad welds/fab process and issues a recall.

Worst case scenario, they have no idea and recalling over 20,000 silencers for inspection or non destructive testing is a path they are not likely to take.
This leaves a substantial population with some doubt on their mind whether or not the next shot will be the one that does it.

 

[WhatToHunt]

The doubt on my mind is very bothersome. I have a Scythe waiting to be used on a 6.5 cm and 300 wsm both in for threading at the moment. Seems likely I'll now only use on the 6.5 and I'll have a wsm with no can (or I buy another one which was not my immediate plan). Over $1k spent on the Scythe with worry to go along with it. Went from excited to nervous pretty quick.

 

[2GRFE]

Moving forward, I will likely only purchase additive manufactured silencers.
- Better Designs/Quieter/Lighter
- NO welds to worry about. If your silencer has 8 welds, that is 8 opportunities for failure.
- Warranties are super easy now as most designs have provisions to be re cored quickly

I don't recall seeing a single reported case of a structural failure of a 3D printed silencer, even from a few years ago from the early adopters. The processes are maturing and in a short time from now it will likely not even be cost effective to cut chips to produce and sell a silencer.

 

[jkoehle1]

Has anyone got theres really hot before it rapid disassembled? Wondering if weld/titanium failure is from excess temp.

The excess temps can make it brittle later.

 

[Marbles]

On a bolt gun my AB Raptor 8 has been hot enough the silicone wrap split and the vet wrap over it started smoking. It has seen over 1000 rounds since without issues. So, heat and Ti welds are not inherently leading to failure, at least on bolt guns with 308 powder capacity and smaller.

Of course, the smoking cover pretty much ended that string of fire. Perhaps I just didn't get it hot enough.

 

[Nine Banger]

The tig weld itself was created at 1000's of degrees, probably 5-6000 F.

I bet the suppressor temp is in the hundreds of degrees.

 

[AZ_Hunter]

Ti loses strength at 800f degrees.

I don’t think temp is the issue here.

 

[Harvey_NW]

Sooooo.... I've been following this thread and have almost crossed off the Scythe because of it ; with that said is there a can that is as light/compact with adequate noise reduction?

Would be going on a 6.5, nothing larger.

I've been sicker than a dog trying to recoup so I'm late to the party, but you might compare the Resilient Suppressors Jolene S to the other suggestions too. Similar volume being a bit less in diameter but a bit more length, TI - 8.3oz with universal hub mount, and very affordable for a Ti can. I haven't compared it to my DA Nomad because the rifle I bought it for isn't done yet, but reading lots of reviews said they're very similar in suppression with a slightly different tone. Many also noted the Jolene felt like it had better perceived recoil reduction. Food for thought

 

[Bluefish]

The tig weld itself was created at 1000's of degrees, probably 5-6000 F.

I bet the suppressor temp is in the hundreds of degrees.

I have seen photos of suppressors glowing red. That’s 1300-1400f. They can get hot if pushed hard.

 

[Jbehredt]

I've been sicker than a dog trying to recoup so I'm late to the party, but you might compare the Resilient Suppressors Jolene S to the other suggestions too. Similar volume being a bit less in diameter but a bit more length, TI - 8.3oz with universal hub mount, and very affordable for a Ti can. I haven't compared it to my DA Nomad because the rifle I bought it for isn't done yet, but reading lots of reviews said they're very similar in suppression with a slightly different tone. Many also noted the Jolene felt like it had better perceived recoil reduction. Food for thought

I think it also includes what will eventually be the barrel length restriction chart for the scythe. Kidding of course but the Jolene restrictions are probably a very good guide for what the scythe can actually handle.

 

[Marbles]

I have seen photos of suppressors glowing red. That’s 1300-1400f. They can get hot if pushed hard.

Those are likely steel, not Ti mufflers. My limited understanding is a Ti can would fail prior to that.

 

[Marbles]

I've been sicker than a dog trying to recoup so I'm late to the party, but you might compare the Resilient Suppressors Jolene S to the other suggestions too. Similar volume being a bit less in diameter but a bit more length, TI - 8.3oz with universal hub mount, and very affordable for a Ti can. I haven't compared it to my DA Nomad because the rifle I bought it for isn't done yet, but reading lots of reviews said they're very similar in suppression with a slightly different tone. Many also noted the Jolene felt like it had better perceived recoil reduction. Food for thought

For the price, the Jolene S might be the best deal on a light hunting can too.

 

[Bluefish]

Those are likely steel, not Ti mufflers. My limited understanding is a Ti can would fail prior to that.

I don’t know at what temp they fail, but Ti doesn’t melt until 3000f. I also know Ti doesn’t transfer heat well.

 

[Lawnboi]

On a bolt gun my AB Raptor 8 has been hot enough the silicone wrap split and the vet wrap over it started smoking. It has seen over 1000 rounds since without issues. So, heat and Ti welds are not inherently leading to failure, at least on bolt guns with 308 powder capacity and smaller.

Of course, the smoking cover pretty much ended that string of fire. Perhaps I just didn't get it hot enough.

Yep, it’s not a titanium issue, it’s a silencerco issue.

Some of my Tbac cans have been real hot during 90 degree PRS matches. Zero issues.

I believe it’s recommended to keep ti cans below 800 degrees.

 

[wesfromky]

I don’t know at what temp they fail, but Ti doesn’t melt until 3000f. I also know Ti doesn’t transfer heat well.

"Responsible/limited full auto rated with intent to keep temperature down. Suppressor must not exceed 800 degrees. Damage resulting from excessive heat and abuse will not be covered for free under warranty."

Hydrogen Series (K, S, L 6.5 & 7.62) | Otter Creek Labs

The Hydrogen series are extremely light weight, extremely quiet suppressor made with the PRS shooters and hunters in mind.

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[HighUintas]

Other than the possibility of catastrophic failure, I'd be concerned with baffle erosion if you're repeatedly getting it hot, especially with a short barrel.

 

[jkoehle1]

I guess i shouldnt be suprised some titanium cans fail. They have limits.