Signed up for the Covid Zombie Juice.....

[Deadfall]

I just saw a report from the UK that they've discovered about 17 different mutations from this virus. Will the current vaccine protect against those?

How will this ever end if the virus keeps mutating?

Never will until government stops mutating...Global governance is what the good club after. Being trying different things for decades. So far all failed. Pretty sure big guy put a kabosh to that stuff...atleast if you believe the Babylon story.

History just repeats..thats all...call it conspiracy therory if you wish

 

[Deadfall]

Whats really going on is never what we see going on....haaaaahaaaahaaaahaaaaa....

 

[Eltigreblanco]

I know we have a few medical doctors here. If you're reading this thread what are your thoughts?

 

[Fatcamp]

The interesting thing is that we have right near 5% of the total population in the U.S. that have tested positive over the last ~11 months without a vaccine. The vaccines are claiming a 95% effective rate.......which means there's a 5% rate of non-effectiveness even with the vaccine........right at the same percentage we have now even without a vaccine......LOL.

Maybe true, but with the vaccine I can hug my MIL.

 

[browning2480]

Maybe true, but with the vaccine I can hug my MIL.

For some, this is a reason not to get it lol joking of course

 

[robby denning]

The middle of February I got sick.......sore throat that then led to that hacking dry cough. My lungs weren't right again until June.....or so I thought. Hunting season was pretty rough on my lungs, they couldn't keep up with me and along with my asthma I just couldn't get enough O2 for the first time in my life........I'm 55.

Fast forward to last Wed night when I woke up with my wife coughing in my face in her sleep. The next day I jokingly said "Well, now I'm all for those Covid tests......you should get one". So on Friday she did.........positive. On Saturday I got a fever and a cough. Then on Sunday major headache and the pain behind the eyes. Four days of fever, and now that's gone but it's in my asthmatic lungs now.......yay. Oh well, life goes on.......until it doesn't. Either way.....no vaccine for me, thank you.

dang it man. sorry to hear this.


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[Fatcamp]

dang it man. sorry to hear this.


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Honestly, we see this exact same thing play out over and over in this age group. We are also seeing return visits for cardiac issues.

Lot more to this tale than deaths.

 

[5MilesBack]

Maybe true, but with the vaccine I can hug my MIL.

I've been hugging my 90 year old mom and going to see her 2-3 times a month even through all this since it started. And she demands that.......virus or not. I'll probably skip this week though.

 

[5MilesBack]

dang it man. sorry to hear this.

No worries, it hasn't changed much of anything for me or my wife, except the quarantine.

 

[5MilesBack]

What’s your point?

The point is (it's all math and numbers related) that even with a vaccine that has a 95% protection rate, that means that it has a 5% failure to protect rate. So even if every American got the vaccine, we could still see 17,500,000 Americans get the virus at that rate. Ironically, we currently have less than 17 million confirmed positive cases over the past 11 months even without a vaccine. That's the point.

And given this.......do you really think that all these power grabbers will allow everything to go back to normal after the vaccine? Very doubtful. "You still have to wear your masks and social distance permanently...........well, because of the 5%". SMH

 

[NDGuy]

The point is (it's all math and numbers related) that even with a vaccine that has a 95% protection rate, that means that it has a 5% failure to protect rate. So even if every American got the vaccine, we could still see 17,500,000 Americans get the virus at that rate. Ironically, we currently have less than 17 million confirmed positive cases over the past 11 months even without a vaccine. That's the point.

Anywhere close to 95% efficiency, if a majority of people got the vaccination we would likely kill the growth of the virus. It would have no hosts to jump to. Not to mention significantly lowering the ICU/hospitalization rate.

 

[NoWiser]

The point is (it's all math and numbers related) that even with a vaccine that has a 95% protection rate, that means that it has a 5% failure to protect rate. So even if every American got the vaccine, we could still see 17,500,000 Americans get the virus at that rate. Ironically, we currently have less than 17 million confirmed positive cases over the past 11 months even without a vaccine. That's the point.

And given this.......do you really think that all these power grabbers will allow everything to go back to normal after the vaccine? Very doubtful. "You still have to wear your masks and social distance permanently...........well, because of the 5%". SMH

Your logic is very flawed.

 

[ramsdude47]

So many people are incapable of understanding their own anecdotal experience means very little in the bigger picture.

There is already a lot of data on this vaccine, the truly brave souls are the 76,000 that did the trial. Since the trial went so well, I will not hesitate to get the vaccine, should be next week hopefully.

 

[NDGuy]

Creepy can any way you shake it. If this vaccine is indeed a good deal. Sure makes a guy wonder how it is cancer, AIDS, and so on are still problems. Guess there's no money in healthy people...

That's the exciting thing with the MRNA vaccines those diseases could have progress made on curing or preventing them.

 

[Drenalin]

I'll get the vaccine when it's available to regular folks. I had the virus in early March, it was fairly easy to get over, and I don't have any lasting effects that I'm aware of yet. It wouldn't be worst thing for me personally just to get a little sick once a year and not have to worry about it any more. BUT, I don't want to be the guy spreading it to others who may not get through it so smoothly. So I'll take the shot. With all the stuff I had injected in me in the military, it just seems unlikely this will be the shot that gets me.

On that subject, someone mentioned Anthrax vaccines were dangerous? I had a handful of rounds of that stuff, what's the story?

 

[Rob5589]

The point is (it's all math and numbers related) that even with a vaccine that has a 95% protection rate, that means that it has a 5% failure to protect rate. So even if every American got the vaccine, we could still see 17,500,000 Americans get the virus at that rate. Ironically, we currently have less than 17 million confirmed positive cases over the past 11 months even without a vaccine. That's the point.

And given this.......do you really think that all these power grabbers will allow everything to go back to normal after the vaccine? Very doubtful. "You still have to wear your masks and social distance permanently...........well, because of the 5%". SMH

Not exactly. The vaccine, has the potential, to keep 95% of people from getting it. Therefore there should not be enough "hosts" for the virus to continue to spread. Right now the 95% still have the potential to contract and spread the virus.

You're 100% correct on the other. Myself and wife are both medical and the PPE requirements will not change after being vaccinated. I don't expect any post vaccine "privileges" either.

 

[KHNC]

It will have to be a matter of the massses to "refuse" to wear a mask before it will fade away. Even if the majority get the vaccine.

 

[kboatman107]

My wife works in the medical field and she’ll be getting the vaccine on Friday. After talking to a couple close friends that are doctors they both said they were going to be getting it. I’ll get it once it’s available.

 

[jmez]

I'd tap the breaks a little on the efficacy/protection % of these vaccines. None of them are going to be 95% when they get real data. The way they arrived at these numbers was in a non controlled fashion with no way to define dependent variables. Pre pandemic the data being thrown about by the companies and the media would have been summarily dismissed by the scientific community.

I would also keep in mind about Moderna. The company was founded in 2010. The company has never brought an approved product to market. They have not gotten approval for nine vaccines that they have been working on in 10 years. They have also never gotten a product into phase 3 clinical trials in 10 years.

 

[ramsdude47]

Moderna’s data is pretty good, but Pfizer’s is definitely better.

And then the background which you addressed makes me a lot happier to be getting the Pfizer variety. I’m curious how much disclosure there will be when vaccines become available to the general public. Certainly to people who ask, but how many will?