Sig Sauer P320 Issues

[keystone112]

I’m waiting for the P320 buy back.

Am I being foolish?

 

[Dan Carey]

I'm waiting for the buy back too. The way I see it, we will have to wait until some keyboard genius proves there is a defect. I've watched a lot of UT and have yet to see the conclusive results needed.

 

[Pilsner]

Update.
Yet again Sig is the loser.

 

[Pilsner]

If anyone has a P320 in 10mm that is scaring them I will volunteer to re-home them for a zero dollar fee.
Big farm, gun will be well fed, great home.

 

[Pilsner]

I'm waiting for the buy back too. The way I see it, we will have to wait until some keyboard genius proves there is a defect. I've watched a lot of UT and have yet to see the conclusive results needed.

Today's lawsuit found them at fault. Which is a big deal. Check my earlier reply for video breaking it down.

 

[Pilsner]

Just received this from Sig Marketing this morning...

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[td] ​ ​ [td] P320 Safety Information Recently, there have been a number of reports and claims regarding the safety of the P320 pistol and its use by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies. We understand you may have questions. We want to address your concerns and provide you with full, complete, and accurate information. SIG SAUER has ALWAYS and will continue to put the safety and security of the U.S. Military, the law enforcement community, our consumers, and the public first. To this end, we want to be sure concerned citizens have access to complete facts. The P320 pistol is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world -meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the U.S. Military and law enforcement agencies at the federal, state and local levels. In addition, the P320 has been rigorously tested, and is currently in use by militaries and law enforcement agencies around the world. FBI Testing and Report A recently publicized internal report from the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) created some confusion and raised questions about the safety of the P320. The FBI prepared this report for the Michigan State Police after an officer was involved in an accidental discharge. SIG SAUER engineers met with the FBI and Michigan State Police on several occasions to review the report and the incident. Ultimately, the FBI conducted a more detailed, repeatable, and comprehensive battery of testing using compatible equipment. The subsequent testing resulted in zero instances of failures and the Michigan State Police are now confidently issuing officers P320 based pistols. The FBI BRF have yet to make any official claims or statements regarding the safety of the P320 pistol or any of its variants. However, we are urging the FBI BRF and FBI Director Kash Patel to release a full and complete testing and evaluation report on their updated P320 safety testing. Department of Homeland Security An internal memo from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)/ U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was recently posted online stating the agency was halting its use of the P320. Many online media outlets immediately sought to attribute this to the above referenced FBI BRF report, which is incorrect. DHS has never raised any safety concerns about the P320 and ICE has since extended their existing contract with SIG SAUER another two years. Since DHS has yet to comment publicly correcting their improperly leaked memo, or any statements questioning the safety of the P320, we are now urging ICE to release all information on P320 testing. SIG SAUER is honored to continue aiding ICE in their mission to protect America. U.S. Air Force M18 There was a recent tragic incident at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming which resulted in the death of an Airman. Because the incident involved the discharge of a (P320 based) M18 pistol, the Air Force is actively conducting an evaluation of M18 pistols within the specific Command where the incident happened. This cautionary step is standard procedure. We proactively offered assistance to the U.S. military as they investigate the incident. Contrary to several online reports, (P320 based) M17 and M18 pistols remain on active duty with all branches of the U.S. Military, including the U.S. Air Force, defending freedom around the world. We have absolute confidence in the U.S. Military’s ability to conduct a thorough investigation and report their findings. As we learn more information about the investigation, we will continue to provide updated information. P320 Range and Training Bans Following several of these inaccurate reports, a number of ranges, training providers, and training facilities made the reactionary decision to ban the P320 and its use in their facilities. We are actively working to provide these individuals with accurate information along with a detailed understanding of the P320 and its safety features. If you are impacted by a P320 range or a training provider ban, we urge you to reach out to SIG CUSTOMER SERVICE: 603-610-3000 Option 1 or send a message here so we can clarify any misinformation and provide the truth. The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. This has been verified through exhaustive testing by SIG SAUER engineers, the U.S. Military, several major federal and state law enforcement agencies, and independent laboratories. This video provides a detailed view into all of the various safety features of the P320 and provides a detailed explanation of how the safety system works; for further information on the P320 please visit here. As with any gun, the P320 will discharge if the trigger is pulled to the rear. Accordingly, SIG SAUER continues to remind its customers, employees, and the public to employ all safe gun-handling practices as spelled out in detail in our product manuals. The SIG SAUER Academy remains a resource to customers, employees, and the public in offering various firearms safety courses. We respect the public’s concern and are actively working to provide as much information as possible. We sincerely thank you for your continued support of SIG SAUER and urge anyone with additional questions or concerns regarding the P320 and/or safe firearms handling to reach out to our customer service team. ​ ​ ​

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I got the same email. The amount of tone deafness Sig is exhibiting right now is amazing! And might just bankrupt the company.

 

[Pilsner]

I believe the FCU in the xTen and the 9 are the same. I have both.

I’m going to move one of my P320s and keep the other hoping Sig offers something.

I’m mostly shooting Walther PDPs now because of the design flaws.

If you are liquidating the xTen let me know.

 

[Pilsner]

The difference between a p320 and a S&W revolver that is cocked, as hammer back, is the Sig has a little trigger safety. We all know some people don't keep their guns clean.

That and the fact that the revolver wont fire without outside interference and the Sig will.
On the other hand, when I was on active duty, I often couldn't get my Beretta 92 to fire when commanded due to mag and maintenance issues so at least the Sig DOES fire...

 

[Long Cut]

The way SIG has handled this entire situation makes me not want to spend $1 supporting them in any way off principal alone.

 

[Dan Carey]

I would like someone to show that a Sig will fire without some kind of help.

 

[Thegman]

I would like someone to show that a Sig will fire without some kind of help.

I don't blame sig too much for how they're dealing with it. When the peanut gallery is coming up with specious claims, demonstrations and "tests", but still zero tests by any agency or person have demonstrated the actual claim of firing by itself, I'd be pushing back too.

There certainly seems to be something going on with the 320, but the bad "tests" and (mis)information just seem to lead to low level hysterics.

 

[UnckleBob]

@Dan Carey

It's not hard to find.

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The second guy is almost certainly at fault for his discharge. $5 says he didn't have it in a proper holster when he was carrying it in his pocket. Some of the issues may have been the gun's fault. But, some are the result of poor gun handling.

Not including a trigger safety was a stupid move by SIG. I bet it saved them less than $10 per gun to leave out that extra safety.

Btw - I am a Glock fan. I love my three Glocks. I am certainly unlikely to pick one up anytime soon.

 

[JF_Idaho]

What is without help? Like in a safe? There's been plenty of instances on video of them firing in holsters. Don't see many (any) videos of other handguns firing in holsters.

 

[maxx076]

I would like someone to show that a Sig will fire without some kind of help.

Would it be considered normal to put enough pressure to hit the wall of a trigger, and no more, and then push the slide into the frame and the gun fire?

I mean I know there are some precision bolt actions that have a 1lb or less pull weight, but a striker fired pistol that is in wide duty use with a trigger that doesn't require a full, intentional trigger press seems like an issue.

 

[Dan Carey]

"without help" I would think that is self explanatory. No one knows the history of any of these self firing 320's. Could it be because of the way they were holstered, or the construction of the holster. Lets try this, of all the 320's manufactured none have self fired in a safe, in a drawer, in the compartments of a vehicle, or anywhere else, other than when a holster is involved, either going into or coming out of or in the holster.
Just because a video of a self firing pistol is presented doesn't mean that Sig is at fault. The classifieds are full of firearms that people have screwed up and now want to sell. People just want to improve everything.
One of the things that is apparent from what can be gleaned from the reports is that no one wants to let Sig inspect the pistol until a ton of others have had possession of it first. I agree with Sit the specimen is tainted.

That said, I have 2 Sigs that it seams I will lose a good deal of money on.

 

[Long Cut]

I would like someone to show that a Sig will fire without some kind of help.

These are duty pistols with Police & Military contracts. They’re meant to be kept in holsters and USED.

I.E. foot chases, getting in/out of cars, etc….. If these every day “inputs” cause the weapon to fire, who cares if the gun does or doesn’t go off when it’s left untouched?

I’m NOT interested in dropping the safety standards for a weapon aimed at my genitals personally.

 

[czgunner]

"without help" I would think that is self explanatory. No one knows the history of any of these self firing 320's. Could it be because of the way they were holstered, or the construction of the holster. Lets try this, of all the 320's manufactured none have self fired in a safe, in a drawer, in the compartments of a vehicle, or anywhere else, other than when a holster is involved, either going into or coming out of or in the holster.
Just because a video of a self firing pistol is presented doesn't mean that Sig is at fault. The classifieds are full of firearms that people have screwed up and now want to sell. People just want to improve everything.
One of the things that is apparent from what can be gleaned from the reports is that no one wants to let Sig inspect the pistol until a ton of others have had possession of it first. I agree with Sit the specimen is tainted.

That said, I have 2 Sigs that it seams I will lose a good deal of money on.

Are there Glock's, M&P's, VP9's, CZ's, XD's firing uncommanded in holsters? It doesn't appear to be an issue with pistols other than the P320. Its a reasonable conclusion that the Sig pistol is a problem.

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[Dan Carey]

You will see a few more "accidents" as the mess progresses along. Just a matter of time before the get rich guys shoot themselves for the money. I never carried a P320, I carry a 365 and I wonder about that choice now. Revolver sales may spike

 

[JF_Idaho]

Well I guess my question would be, if you're so confident in the P320, why are you no longer carrying one, or worried about it?

As said above, these weapons are meant to be carried. It's not like people are doing some outlandish things with them.

 

[Q_Sertorius]

None of the M18’s we had fired without someone or something moving the trigger to the rear. My suspicion is that the P320 may be less forgiving of poor weapons handling than other pistols, without being inherently unsafe. If there is a design defect, it should be quite simple to replicate it in an objective test.

I am curious to see the final outcome of the litigation concerning SIG. The pistol was the subject of a lively and lucrative procurement process. It would not surprise me in the least if rivals aren’t helping to magnify the noise.


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