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wind gypsy said:
You stated that hashes on a ffp scope are useless at low mag, but wouldn't the same be true on a sfp scope?

Thanks for the pics.
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The advantage of a FFP reticle is that it stays the same size in relation to the target at all magnifications. A SFP reticle doesn't change size at all, and is generally calibrated at it's highest power for stadiametric rangefinding and sizing. The problem I see with the FFP scopes is that in order for the stadia lines to be fine enough at high power for precision shots, they become too small to see at low power.
 
Sam-

I think you posted twice that the Burris XTR II was impressive. There were many more users of the LRHS last year, as the XTR IIs may have been a little behind hitting the shelves. Trying to keep it as Apples to Apples as possible......A Bushy LRHS in 4-18X44 vs the XTR II in 4-20X50. Street price should be close to the same.

Would one sway you over the other? 800 yards and under, actual hunting rifle like a Stalker in sane weight and cartridge.

And do you or Ryan have enough 'juice' to T&E any?
 
Jesse Jaymes said:
Sam-

I think you posted twice that the Burris XTR II was impressive. There were many more users of the LRHS last year, as the XTR IIs may have been a little behind hitting the shelves. Trying to keep it as Apples to Apples as possible......A Bushy LRHS in 4-18X44 vs the XTR II in 4-20X50. Street price should be close to the same.

Would one sway you over the other? 800 yards and under, actual hunting rifle like a Stalker in sane weight and cartridge.

And do you or Ryan have enough 'juice' to T&E any?
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First of all, don't hold your breath for any "juice". Been waiting for a Bushnell scope to look at for quite a while now.

Yes, I was very impressed with the XTR II and the Burris rep I talked with. He took one look at my old Nightforce cap, disappeared into his cubicle, and came out with a bunch of swag and a Burris badge holder for the show:) They fielded the XTR with a few tactical shooters for evaluation, and the only negative thing they had to say had to do with the mechanicals of the scope (turrets, tactile feel of the clicks, etc.) I agreed with the guy that they have them right this time.

As far as comparing the LRHS and XTR II, one is designed as a hunting scope with some tactical-type features, the other is a full tactical scope. To me, glass quality is very subjective...either it looks good or doesn't, so I'll say they're even in that department. One has 24 MOA per revolution, the other 25. Both have FFP reticles. Both have useful reticles for hunting applications, with easy to pick up center reference when at lowest power. Both have zero stop devices. Both have side PA adjustments.

If looking at them apples to apples, the biggest drawback to the LRHS for me is the capped windage turret. I dial for all wind corrections, so I like exposed turrets, top and side.

If price is the same, the other advantages of the XTR II are illuminated reticle, 90 MOA v. 80 MOA of elevation travel, 20x instead of 18x, and two reticle choices (if using MILs).

I think they are both nice scopes, and would work for what you want. If I were buying one or the other for myself, I would get the XTR II for the reasons I gave above!
 
GA Precision Tempest action...



Surgeon actions...



I'll take two, please!



Trying to sell me on Atlas bipods. I'll admit I really like the PSR model, and will probably give it a try!
 
Sam Millard said:
The advantage of a FFP reticle is that it stays the same size in relation to the target at all magnifications. A SFP reticle doesn't change size at all, and is generally calibrated at it's highest power for stadiametric rangefinding and sizing. The problem I see with the FFP scopes is that in order for the stadia lines to be fine enough at high power for precision shots, they become too small to see at low power.
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I was more or less wondering if anyone uses the stadia lines on low power on any scope regardless of focal plane. As long as you can see the cross hairs well enough it seems like it'd be fine for hunting.

I was really hoping to see 6.5 saum factory brass announced!
 
wind gypsy said:
I was more or less wondering if anyone uses the stadia lines on low power on any scope regardless of focal plane. As long as you can see the cross hairs well enough it seems like it'd be fine for hunting.

I was really hoping to see 6.5 saum factory brass announced!
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That has always been my argument for not needing a FFP reticle...nobody needs calibrated stadia at low power. From a long range hunting viewpoint, there are no apparent advantages to the FFP. A lot of experience shows that either the scope will be on MAX power or MIN power while hunting. After looking through a bunch last week, I can tell you that the reticle is difficult to see on FFP scopes at low power. The "dual plane" scopes that have an illuminated center stadia in the SFP, and a shrinking FFP reticle seems to be a good compromise.

I'm sure there must be a practical application for FFP scopes, I just haven't experienced it yet. I know a few guys that have shot and won PRS-style/Sniper Comps with SFP scopes and don't care to switch to FFP scopes. I don't know...

Nobody gave me a warm fuzzy about any kind of brass...
 
Sam, here's a noob question for you. Can you dial your elevation on a second focal plane scope at any power? Or does it have to be max? I'm not sure where the price point will be on that new bushnell lrhs, the current model is all over the map but I have seen it just over a grand. The other scope I'm considering is the SHV.
 
goodgrouper said:
Sam, here's a noob question for you. Can you dial your elevation on a second focal plane scope at any power? Or does it have to be max? I'm not sure where the price point will be on that new bushnell lrhs, the current model is all over the map but I have seen it just over a grand. The other scope I'm considering is the SHV.
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You can accurately dial wind and elevation with either style reticle, at any power. The difference between the two comes when you want to use the stadia lines for corrections, instead of dialing the turrets. With a SFP, the values of the stadia spacing are generally calibrated for max magnification power. With the FFP reticle, it's correction value stays constant throughout the magnification range. You pay for that with a small reticle on low power, and a big reticle on high power. A SFP reticle stays the same size wherever the power ring is.
 
Sam have u ever used the shv hunting or at the range? I'm thinking of getting one for my wifes 7mm-08 tikka and don't want to put a heavy nxs on it for she will be using it hunting and also shooting at our friends range.
 
Retterath said:
Sam have u ever used the shv hunting or at the range? I'm thinking of getting one for my wifes 7mm-08 tikka and don't want to put a heavy nxs on it for she will be using it hunting and also shooting at our friends range.
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No sir, I don't have any experience with the SHVs.
 
I have a NF SHV on my Tikka 270wsm and I like it a lot. You get NF quality and durability in a somewhat reduced weight and cost package. I have not tried to evaluate the glass side by side with an NXS but it is on the list of things to do. The turrets are capped so if you want to dial elevation and windage you will first need to spin off the caps. The clicks are very solid but not as solid as the NXS line. Also less travel per rotation than the NXS line.
I went with the MOAR reticle and non illumination. The SHV line has been popular enough for NF that they expanded the line since it was first released adding a different magnification range and also a different (smaller) objective for a lighter weight and more "mainstream" hunters type scope.
Initially it was only offered 4-14x56 but has been expanded to 5-20x56 and 3-10x42.
It was a good fit for my lightweight mountain rifle, what I demand from a scope, and how I hunt.
 
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