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[7mag.]

I'm a little concerned that there are only 2 guy out points, other than the 10 around the bottom. I hope it handles wind alright.

The Smith Cylinder Stove will be here this week. Can't wait to try it all out on a scouting trip next week.

 

[Hungarydog]

View attachment 25554View attachment 25555 Cimarron made it just in time for the first scouting trip of the year. This is my first floor less shelter so i have nothing to compare it to but spent 4 nights in it and so far so good. I really like the room to weight ratio but that being said due to the size of the footprint i can see where finding a place to pitch it might be a challenge in some terrain. The spot we were in this trip was uneven but the multiple stake outs adapted to the unevenness pretty well. It being sealed to the ground and zipped up during the day we had virtually no bugs in the tent. At night by opening the vent, stove jack and unzipping both doors from the top and propping open with sticks kept the condensation to a minimum even with temps outside near freezing.

 

[michaelc10]

Just received my cimarron,pretty big foot print, came in at 2 pounds 14.8 ounces with stove jack and stakes

 

[michaelc10]

Bought the black diamond carbon fibor pole for the megalight , works great and plenty of adjustment with no holes in the carbon pole , hopefully will be a stronger setup at 10.3 ounces

 

[colonel00]

I have a question for Luke or anyone else that has also had an SL5. How would you compare the two? Aside from the extra door which is nice, what else strikes you as different or better. How is does the usable space compare? With the sod skirts still on the ground, how is the height? Some of my biggest gripes with the SL5 is the door height and zipper that goes to the corner. Also, I think I asked before but you can close the vent(s) on this to keep heat from a stove in, correct?

 

[7mag.]

Set up the Cimmaron today, with the 18" Smith Cylinder Stove for the first burn. So far, very happy. There is more than enough room for two with gear and the stove. We're going to put it to the test next weekend on a three day scouting trip.

 

[7mag.]

The stove is easy to set up.

 

[luke moffat]

I have a question for Luke or anyone else that has also had an SL5. How would you compare the two? Aside from the extra door which is nice, what else strikes you as different or better. How is does the usable space compare? With the sod skirts still on the ground, how is the height? Some of my biggest gripes with the SL5 is the door height and zipper that goes to the corner. Also, I think I asked before but you can close the vent(s) on this to keep heat from a stove in, correct?

Being as I literally have a couple hundred nights in the SL-5 and currently zero in the Cimmaron I am reluctant to post much until is use it. With the sod skit on the ground the center height seemed slightly smaller which is another reason I put adjustable guy lines along the bottom. 1) I can suck up the slack when it get wet. 2) Get better ventilation if not sucked tight to the ground. 3)Higher center height makes more more usable space further away from the center pole.

The Cimmaron is obviously right out of the gate roughly half heavier than the SL-5. The difference there is 15D silnylon on the SL-5 vs. 30D on the Cimmaron. Then there are two doors, both with beefier but much easier to use zippers. I believe this is the main reason for the differences in weights. But still a week before taking it on its maiden voyage to sleep in for 3 night trip so I will refrain from anymore reviewer until likely later in the summer after I get a few trips (including a 100+ mile thru hike) in it.

Hope that bit helps though.

 

[bourbon]

Kevin_t , do you think that someone 6'6" will be able to lay down in the cimmaron without contacting any walls? What about with a stove in place?

 

[luke moffat]

Not Kevin, but I would say most certainly you could. Not at home right now, but heading out for a 5 day backpack packraft trip here in a few days and will take some pics with pads inside an such. I am sure Kevin has some on file though.

 

[bourbon]

Not Kevin, but I would say most certainly you could. Not at home right now, but heading out for a 5 day backpack packraft trip here in a few days and will take some pics with pads inside an such. I am sure Kevin has some on file though.

Thanks Luke.

After my last thread asking about a shelter suitable for someone my size I believe I have been swayed in the direction of a floorless. Just so many more options available with the floorless. The tick situation was scaring me off the most because I'd like the wife and kid to come occasionally, but I already know her aversion to bugs and with the tick issues here there is no way she would go. Then I started looking around at the pyratent offering from BPWD looks like it would work fantastic in The Cimmaron, or one of his offerings, and provide a sensible, but not permanent/heavy solution.

Looking forward to hearing how the Cimmaron performs for you on your upcoming trip.

 

[whitingja]

Hey, I have the Cimarron with the Pyranet in it. I have pics actually if you would like to see on my phone. PM me your number and I will send it your way. There is room for you in the tent for sure, just have him make your Pyranet longer. Its a great setup. I have the SXL stove in mine.

 

[bourbon]

PM with number incoming. Thank for you the offer of sending some photos.

 

[luke moffat]

Thanks Luke.

After my last thread asking about a shelter suitable for someone my size I believe I have been swayed in the direction of a floorless. Just so many more options available with the floorless. The tick situation was scaring me off the most because I'd like the wife and kid to come occasionally, but I already know her aversion to bugs and with the tick issues here there is no way she would go. Then I started looking around at the pyratent offering from BPWD looks like it would work fantastic in The Cimmaron, or one of his offerings, and provide a sensible, but not permanent/heavy solution.

Looking forward to hearing how the Cimmaron performs for you on your upcoming trip.

Right on. I have the pyranet I will be using in my Cimmaron. I have used that same nest in the Nemo Pentalite as well as the GoLite SL-5 as well. Works well. The floorless tipi w/nest combo is still the best setup for me and my uses I have found since I started using it in 2009.

 

[ChrisS]

I like the looks and functionality of the cimarron ... wish it came out before I bought an 8-man this winter. Maybe next year.

 

[gustafsj]

I have a BPWD Pyranet inner net that we use for our family camping and it is perfect for us for a family of 5. He now calls it a Pyranet 6, at the time I bought it, he was not offering it as a standard option. I did have him make it 108"x108"x78" tall which is 10" taller than what he now has listed.

This pairs up well with what he now calls the Luna 6, which again I had him make taller for us at 84". I'm 6-4 and have plenty of room. In fact, last time we went out, one of the kids slept crossways below my feet and there was still plenty of room.

John at BPWD is very good to work with for custom orders, so just let him know what you need.

 

[5MilesBack]

The floorless tipi w/nest combo is still the best setup for me and my uses I have found since I started using it in 2009.

Is that because of bugs?

 

[luke moffat]

Is that because of bugs?

Yeah. In the summer mostly. By Sept 1st "generally" the bugs are much less than what they are in June/July/Aug. To just hangout in a tipi pitched without a nest and no sod skirt the amount of bugs inside is no biggie (unless on the north slope of the Brooks Range during the hatch!!), but it only takes one or two skeeters while I am sleeping to buzz my ears to piss me off.

That and often I pitch on semi squishy ground and simply putting my pad on the ground isn't ideal. So the fully enclosed bathtub floored nest is kinda double purpose. If solo a lightweight bivy from TI goat or Borah works well and makes sense. However most the time its my wife and I so a nest is nearly the same weight and allows us to share a double bag or quilt and couple our pads together and seems to keep condensation to a minimum compared to the condensation I often get between the bag and bivy.

 

[goathunter]

What's everyone doing to seam seal? Are you using the included silnet or silicone/mineral spirits? Also what are you using for guyout line? I just realize I ordered tensioners on Amazon over a month ago and haven't seen them

 

[Hungarydog]

Used the included silnet and this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NJ...shine+line&dpPl=1&dpID=51RTLLzTcjL&ref=plSrch