The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom

[Yoder]

A huge thankyou to @Beagle1 for taking the time to eloquently push back in this thread.

Keep up the good fight!

It's kind of ironic that the "good fight" is trying to turn people away from God. I'm not saying it to be angry, it actually thought it was pretty funny.

 

[go_deep]

I will, but I need time to digest @go_deep's insightful reply in post #790.

Bear with me as I'm sure I'll need a couple days as there is lots to unpack there.


Eddie

Taken a back that it's that simple?

 

[Beagle1]

No that's not correct. Those people all died for a belief not a lie. They believed a lie, they didn't know the actual truth firsthand. The Apostles would have known if Jesus was just removed from the tomb and buried somewhere. They went from denying him to dying for him after they saw him risen with their own eyes. If they knew the whole thing was nonsense do you think they would have suffered and died horrific deaths without ever denying him again?

Yes it is. Look at the examples I stated. As you said they believed a lie and died for it. What could be clearer.

 

[Shortschaf]

I will, but I need time to digest @go_deep's insightful reply in post #790.

Bear with me as I'm sure I'll need a couple days as there is lots to unpack there.

I think you asked if he would randomly take in a stranger in need at 10pm, and he answered "sure"

It was a one-word-answer type of question you asked

 

[eddielasvegas]

My apologies @Shortschaf and @go_deep.

Since my question was not segregated from my post, I misinterpreted his reply to be in reply to my entire post, along the lines of "ok, boomer."

You both are better men than me as I doubt I'd open the door for anybody at that hour as the risk is too great for my family, but it's a hard pass for a person looking like that. Yepper, I judged a book by its cover.


Eddie

 

[Mtnmilsurp]

[QUOTE="Kenn, post:
Edit: I don't necessarily believe in a big bang either. Although I've read the theory on it, it's way over my head and it is exactly that - a theory.[/QUOTE]

Don’t assume that something is over your head because you don’t understand it. It might just not make sense because it doesn’t make sense. There’s nothing more complicated about the Big Bang theory than this: there was absolutely nothing in existence and it all exploded and the explosion created time, space, and matter. If that doesn’t make sense to you then you might just be the guy who realizes the emperor has no clothes.

 

[Yoder]

Yes it is. Look at the examples I stated. As you said they believed a lie and died for it. What could be clearer.

Did you even read what I said? The Apostles weren't told a lie. They saw it with their own eyes. They saw Jesus in the flesh after he was dead three days. Nobody lied to them. They KNEW what happened, nobody told them anything. They were there. They would have known if Jesus just died and that was the end of it. Do you think they would have allowed themselves to be brutalized, tortured and killed over something that they absolutely knew was false? Muslims today have never met Mohammed. They have the belief his teachings were true. They don't know, just like me. I believe, I wasn't physically there when Jesus was crucified but the Apostles were. Do you understand the difference? How can I explain this any better?

 

[Yoder]

Yes it is. Look at the examples I stated. As you said they believed a lie and died for it. What could be clearer.

Here's another angle. The big bang theory. There's a difference between hearing about the big bang theory and actually being there to witness it happening and reporting to the world what you saw. One person has a belief, the other person is an eye witness to the event. That's the difference between the Apostles and all the people you mentioned.

 

[Yoder]

Even AI believes there is a creator and evolution and abiogenisis(life creating itself) are not statistically possible. This video is really interesting.

 

[dylanvb]

“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭19‬-‭20‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[dylanvb]

“And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭4‬-‭8‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[dylanvb]

One of my favorite pastors at the moment.

 

[dylanvb]

Something that non believers don’t understand is they cannot take away a believers faith which is witnessed through their own testimony.

I got paid my biggest pay check this last week. Pretty cool. Well last night my wife hit a deer on our way home. Glory to be God we are not injured, glory to God my son was staying the night at my in laws which is where we just left. Glory to God I just got paid this big pay check which will make the fixing of the damage a lot easier than it would have been a month ago.
I do not understand why things happen the way they do but I see God working behind it all. No one will ever take that away from me. I choose to glorify God. It’s a daily choice.

“Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This life is not easy but Jesus offers us hope through his sacrifice.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

 

[go_deep]

I just want to say thank you to anyone who's asked questions, easy to the hardest and challenging. I think it's important to have our faith questioned, to be able to answer why, to be able to delve deeper into our own understanding of it, and I love being able to talk about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
So an honest, true, and sincere thank you!! I look forward whenever I have time to opening this thread and reading the different posts.

 

[dylanvb]

I just want to say thank you to anyone who's asked questions, easy to the hardest and challenging. I think it's important to have our faith questioned, to be able to answer why, to be able to delve deeper into our own understanding of it, and I love being able to talk about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
So an honest, true, and sincere thank you!! I look forward whenever I have time to opening this thread and reading the different posts.

The questions help me seek answers through the Bible so I second this. Thank you for strengthening my own faith.

 

[Beagle1]

Something that non believers don’t understand is they cannot take away a believers faith which is witnessed through their own testimony.

I got paid my biggest pay check this last week. Pretty cool. Well last night my wife hit a deer on our way home. Glory to be God we are not injured, glory to God my son was staying the night at my in laws which is where we just left. Glory to God I just got paid this big pay check which will make the fixing of the damage a lot easier than it would have been a month ago.
I do not understand why things happen the way they do but I see God working behind it all. No one will ever take that away from me. I choose to glorify God. It’s a daily choice.

“Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This life is not easy but Jesus offers us hope through his sacrifice.

“Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.””
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭28‬-‭30‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

And believers don’t understand nonbelievers are not trying to take away their faith.

 

[Beagle1]

Did you even read what I said? The Apostles weren't told a lie. They saw it with their own eyes. They saw Jesus in the flesh after he was dead three days. Nobody lied to them. They KNEW what happened, nobody told them anything. They were there. They would have known if Jesus just died and that was the end of it. Do you think they would have allowed themselves to be brutalized, tortured and killed over something that they absolutely knew was false? Muslims today have never met Mohammed. They have the belief his teachings were true. They don't know, just like me. I believe, I wasn't physically there when Jesus was crucified but the Apostles were. Do you understand the difference? How can I explain this any better?

And did you read what I read?

It was initially stated no one died for a lie. I cited examples where that was wrong. You then brought up the apostles’ belief in the resurrection and the suffering they endured because of it. I pointed out sincerity of belief does not equal truth.

You pointed out their sincerity was based on eyewitness accounts. I have previously pointed out that there are many valid reasons to question these accounts and they are not verifiable.