Screw worm warning!

[Sandhills]

The drug cartels keep half starved horses on the US side of the border.
They move them to Mexico, load them with contraband and turn them loose. They return to the last place they were fed.....in the US.
This works especially well between El Paso and San Ysidro where there are no natural obstacles.

Slime of humanity

 

[S-3 ranch]

So you all can shoot the Mavericks? Or is it a if I didn't see ya, ya didn't do type of deal.

Well there is a tick fence above the flood plain, then the Rio , it’s fair game
On the feral cattle between the fence and river, they are rank wild scrub bulls, even the Mexicans don’t want them,
Unfortunate the cartels use stolen vehicles and crash the fences and let good cattle out, but they are usually branded and ear tagged and much more docile and usually want back in with their own kind and calves or mamas

 

[Reburn]

I mean Texans bouncing into Mexico to rustle up cattle and horses to take back to Texas is basically a founding principal of 1800s Texas.

The screw worm is a bad deal. There is talks about dosing feed with ivermectin to treat free ranging deer and exotics. Its way off label so it needs the Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) in Laurel, MD to provide emergency approval for the use of ivermectin as an oral feed-through in livestock and wildlife feeds. Currently the only in feed wormer approved is safeguard and its not effective against the screw worm.

 

[Sandhills]

Well there is a tick fence above the flood plain, then the Rio , it’s fair game
On the feral cattle between the fence and river, they are rank wild scrub bulls, even the Mexicans don’t want them,
Unfortunate the cartels use stolen vehicles and crash the fences and let good cattle out, but they are usually branded and ear tagged and much more docile and usually want back in with their own kind and calves or mamas

Interesting, all longhorn/ Corriente type cattle or brahma influenced stuff?

There's parts of Nevada, Utah (from what I was told) and northeast California that have feral cattle. But I've always been told that even though they're unbranded stock you couldn't mess with em.

 

[Amos Keeto]

Interesting, all longhorn/ Corriente type cattle or brahma influenced stuff?

There's parts of Nevada, Utah (from what I was told) and northeast California that have feral cattle. But I've always been told that even though they're unbranded stock you couldn't mess with em.

IIRC, one of the Hawaiian islands has a population of feral cattle that they allow to be "hunted".
I also understand that those feral cattle have nasty dispositions and .375 H&H at least is suggested!

 

[Sandhills]

IIRC, one of the Hawaiian islands has a population of feral cattle that they allow to be "hunted".
I also understand that those feral cattle have nasty dispositions and .375 H&H at least is suggested!

I went to college with a guy from the Northern Territory in Australia. He said clean skins (unbranded stock) that don't get caught during round up get shot pretty regularly, especially on the bigger outfits.

 

[S-3 ranch]

Interesting, all longhorn/ Corriente type cattle or brahma influenced stuff?

There's parts of Nevada, Utah (from what I was told) and northeast California that have feral cattle. But I've always been told that even though they're unbranded stock you couldn't mess with em.

Mixed up crap full of different kinds of worms and diseases, tick riders patrol for them almost 7/365
Zebu , Brahma, Santa gatrutus ,

 

[Sandhills]

Them are some shitty looking cattle for sure. I wouldn't mind shooting that black and white for the horns though

Mixed up crap full of different kinds of worms and diseases, tick riders patrol for them almost 7/365
Zebu , Brahma, Santa gatrutus , View attachment 890099View attachment 890100

 

[Sandhills]

Makes a guy wonder though what the cattle looked like back in the old days when they were being pushed north out of Texas. If they looked like that I'm glad I live in these times.

 

[S-3 ranch]

Makes a guy wonder though what the cattle looked like back in the old days when they were being pushed north out of Texas. If they looked like that I'm glad I live in these times.

Just like that , Those weren’t beef / meat cattle, used for the leather,tallow, bone hooves ( sold by the head & not by the pound)
Improved quality stock didn’t come till later ( Hereford, angus, charlottes, beef master , ect )
Improved stock is what is susceptible to flies and ticks !

 

[Sandhills]

Just like that , Those weren’t beef / meat cattle, used for the leather,tallow, bone hooves ( sold by the head & not by the pound)
Improved quality stock didn’t come till later ( Hereford, angus, charlottes, beef master , ect )
Improved stock is what is susceptible to flies and ticks !

The longhorn that were drove to Kansas and points north weren't for beef? I thought that's why Chicago became central to the packing industry

 

[Reburn]

The longhorn that were drove to Kansas and points north weren't for beef? I thought that's why Chicago became central to the packing industry

They were eaten but the other parts werent by product. Leather, cotton and wool is what clothes were made out of.

Beef of that time period wasnt very good as far as a single cut of beef. You dont hear about cowboys on the range eating steak. They were eating camp chili or some other dutch oven slow cooked cut.

It wasnt until improved muscle / beef breeds / double muscle and grain finishing that the steak got to be tender and delicious. Grain finishing didnt start commercially happening until 50's/60's.

The fat in the muscle is what makes it juicy. Those mangy corriente type cattle dont carry enough fat and that lends them to be tough at any age.

 

[Sandhills]

They were eaten but the other parts werent by product.

Beef of that age wasnt very good as far as a single cut of beef. You dont hear about cowboys on the range eating steak. They were eating camp chili or some other dutch oven slow cooked cut.

It wasnt until improved muscle / beef breeds / double muscle and grain finishing that the steak got to be tender and delicious. Grain finishing didnt start commercially happening until 50's/60's.

The fat in the muscle is what makes it juicy. Those mangy corriente type cattle dont carry enough fat and that lends them to be tough at any age.

I knew it wasn't quality beef. I know the Hereford was crossed up with longhorns and then shorthorns and other British and continental breeds were used later. A guy I work for part time haying and day work for has Corriente/Criollo and longhorn cross cattle and while they're on feed they still don't look like they'd make quality beef

 

[Reburn]

I knew it wasn't quality beef. I know the Hereford was crossed up with longhorns and then shorthorns and other British and continental breeds were used later. A guy I work for part time haying and day work for has Corriente/Criollo and longhorn cross cattle and while they're on feed they still don't look like they'd make quality beef

They wont ever grade prime thats for sure.
If you want the best chance at growing prime beef you grow actual angus (not just black cattle) or #1 cross charolais. If you are gonna be vertically integrated and grade on the grid at the packer you are gonna grow one of those 2.

 

[UKwildcatfan]

lol. Its child culture to call anything you don't like "fake news". My source works directly for the USDA in the infectious diseases department responsible for research and prevention.

Ok. From a senior child, whether I like, or don't like, what you said has zero bearing on my comment. My comment comes from direct communication with one of the USDA veterinarian staff at the border. While being sequestered at the the Nogales port of entry for a couple of hours two weeks ago, through conversation with the staff member, she said their research arm is ramping up even more then what is going on now. Not only is the screw worm an issue but so are two or three other diseases she named that they're trying to understand and develope a way to combat them. Her words, not mine.

 

[Sandhills]

They wont ever grade prime thats for sure.
If you want the best chance at growing prime beef you grow actual angus (not just black cattle) or #1 cross charolais. If you are gonna be vertically integrated and grade on the grid at the packer you are gonna grow one of those 2.

I've ate good Hereford and simmental. I actually prefer Hereford over Angus as far as ranch raised. But I've been spoiled since marrying my wife, her parents raise cattle and are slowly building their herd to be all wagyu. The wagyu cross we have been getting every year or so is excellent meat and I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back to eating store bought

 

[S-3 ranch]

I mean Texans bouncing into Mexico to rustle up cattle and horses to take back to Texas is basically a founding principal of 1800s Texas.

The screw worm is a bad deal. There is talks about dosing feed with ivermectin to treat free ranging deer and exotics. Its way off label so it needs the Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) in Laurel, MD to provide emergency approval for the use of ivermectin as an oral feed-through in livestock and wildlife feeds. Currently the only in feed wormer approved is safeguard and its not effective against the screw worm.

Yeah safeguard it’s Fenbendazole and only disrupts worm digestive system instead of outright killing them before they can do damage, great for internal parasites, fleas, lung & nose bot’s , lice

USDA has to start cranking out the sterile male flies by the millions & have joint cooperation with Mexico, Belize, Niagara, ect
Or desert bighorn, deer , elk will suffer major losses

 

[Skerhunter]

I've ate good Hereford and simmental. I actually prefer Hereford over Angus as far as ranch raised. But I've been spoiled since marrying my wife, her parents raise cattle and are slowly building their herd to be all wagyu. The wagyu cross we have been getting every year or so is excellent meat and I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back to eating store bought

Now eat a deer and report back! All our beef is now 100% waygu and it will ruin a guy.

 

[Reburn]

Yeah safeguard it’s Fenbendazole and only disrupts worm digestive system instead of outright killing them before they can do damage, great for internal parasites, fleas, lung & nose bot’s , lice

USDA has to start cranking out the sterile male flies by the millions & have joint cooperation with Mexico, Belize, Niagara, ect
Or desert bighorn, deer , elk will suffer major losses

Yea broad use of ivomec is a major problem of its own. I have seen ivomec resistant bankrupt worms and they were a bear to get rid of. They were resistant to ivomec, cydectin and long range verified via fecal float. A switch to prohibit (Levamisole) for 2 years had to be made to get rid of them.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Now eat a deer and report back! All our beef is now 100% waygu and it will ruin a guy.

In laws raise waygu crossed with a few different mutts in northern az, it’s so good!