S2H Scope Interest

Interest in purchasing a S2H 3-18x44 rifle scope (if passes durability testing)


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Clicking on your chosen answer in the poll is all that is necessary to fulfill the OP's quest. I don't recall him asking for any further comments, so any sort of banter here serves to keep his poll at the forefront.

I'm really the odd man here. My latest scope purchase has a simple crosshair reticle with no elevation or wind holds. The turrets are MRAD. I'll shoot my rifle in increments of 100 yards (not meters), write down each of the mils for that distance, and tape my dope to my buttstock. Then when hunting, I'll use my rangefinder in yards and dial appropriately. Mils and MOA work the same for my style -- they're just numbers on a turret. Lol!
 
Clicking on your chosen answer in the poll is all that is necessary to fulfill the OP's quest. I don't recall him asking for any further comments, so any sort of banter here serves to keep his poll at the forefront.

I'm really the odd man here. My latest scope purchase has a simple crosshair reticle with no elevation or wind holds. The turrets are MRAD. I'll shoot my rifle in increments of 100 yards (not meters), write down each of the mils for that distance, and tape my dope to my buttstock. Then when hunting, I'll use my rangefinder in yards and dial appropriately. Mils and MOA work the same for my style -- they're just numbers on a turret. Lol!
What do you do for wind?
 
Clicking on your chosen answer in the poll is all that is necessary to fulfill the OP's quest. I don't recall him asking for any further comments, so any sort of banter here serves to keep his poll at the forefront.
I did this and left without commenting. Then came back and read the MIL vs MOA monkey poo fighting. Wow.

I'll shoot my rifle in increments of 100 yards (not meters), write down each of the mils for that distance, and tape my dope to my buttstock. Then when hunting, I'll use my rangefinder in yards and dial appropriately. Mils and MOA work the same for my style -- they're just numbers on a turret. Lol!
I am largely in this camp but a little different. I'm definitely not smooth enough to hit targets "on demand under pressure quickly out to 600" or whatever. I used SFP, MOA scopes for the longest time because that's what everyone I knew who hunted used. When I bought my first 6.5 Creedmoor several years (a decade now?) ago, I wanted to set it up to be able to shoot PRS (which I've regretably still not done, though I've shot NRL Hunter and even F-Class with it). The internet told me I needed a mil/mil FFP scope, so I bought a Vortex PST Gen II 5-25. That was my first experience with any scope that cost more than $200, my first FFP scope, my first scope with a zero stop, my first scope with turrets made for dialing, and my first mil/mil scope. I loved it (until it died in a competition last year after bumping a rock)!

That scope lead me to want to upgrade every scope I owned. Better glass and at least a dialing elevation turret seemed to be non-negotiable. But, conventional wisdom was that SFP was the right choice for hunting, and Leupold just seemed to have everything figured out for hunters and those became my go-to hunting scopes. When I started elk hunting with a rifle, I decided I really ought to try the VX5HD 3-15x44 with the windplex reticle. I mean, that scopes perfect, right? (sarcasm guys, calm down).

My decision to transfer virtually all of my scopes over to mils (a work still in progress) came afte a couple of hunting trips out west with the MOA system. Like you, I make up "dope" cards for my load before heading to the mountains. When I'd make them, I'd have to round MOA solutions in the tenth to the nearest quarter MOA. Not a deal breaker, but kinda odd to be rounding out of base ten into quarters. But the frustration and "aha moment" came with me being unable to confidently remember my dope in MOA for my hunting rifle, even when in the field with it and looking at the card every day, but I could easily remember my dope in MILs for my "match" rifle sitting at home. 6 3/4 is just harder to remember than 2.0. And I was aware of the concept of "quick drop" in MILs (though it wasn't called that) from another forum, so I always had the ability to check my memory if I was unsure about my MIL dope without digging my card out. But I can't do that reliably in MOA---I have to have the card. This is compounded after I haven't studied my MOA dope cared in a while, whereas I can remember my drop in MILs for a long time. I'm still learning "mph gun" for wind, but it's simple too. To me, working in base 10 is just unquestionably easier than working in freedom fractions. So why fight it?

I don't claim to have ever missed or not killed an animal because I was using MOA versus MIL. My screw ups are all attributable to much more base incompetence. Usually, I zero at 200 (non dialable) or dial-on a 200 yard zero to cover any quick shot opportunities. Now, my rangefinder even has onboard ballistics so I don't have to consult my dope card and it doesn't really matter to me whether I'm in MOA or MIL. I do still have and use scopes in both MOA and MIL. But, because I know my brain intuitively "gets" the MIL system better, I am also slowly but surely transitioning my field/hunting scopes over to MILs.

I'm interested in an FFP scope with a reticle usable at low power because I like the idea of a having some simple subtensions in a reticle but I had a bad experience with an SFP BDC scope not being on the right magnification. I know, I know, that's easily solvable with a little brain power, but eliminating the variable altogether is ideal. And if I can get some peace of mind that the scope isn't going to randomly stop pointing where I aim it, or that the erector won't get stuck if I dial up a ways and then dial back down, all the better.
 
He likes what he likes and it's his money to spend I get it. If I wanted it different I'd try too he's not storming the capital or anything. He's voicing his opinion on an intent forum.

For the rest of us if y'all like it I'll try it.
 
What do you do for wind?
So far, I don't do anything. The furthest west I've ever been is St. Louis, so no long range hunting in windy conditions. I've taken over a hundred whitetails, with only a couple being beyond 200 yards. A combination of shorter ranges and always trying to hunt with the wind blowing from the deer to me (as best I can) minimizes opportunities where a crosswind would negatively affect me. I do occasionally shoot steel or paper at 500+ yards at a friend's farm, but we generally only plink around on bluebird days. I guess if I ever needed to hold for wind, I'd just figure how many inches I needed to hold left or right and move that far on a deer's hide.
 
So far, I don't do anything. The furthest west I've ever been is St. Louis, so no long range hunting in windy conditions. I've taken over a hundred whitetails, with only a couple being beyond 200 yards. A combination of shorter ranges and always trying to hunt with the wind blowing from the deer to me (as best I can) minimizes opportunities where a crosswind would negatively affect me. I do occasionally shoot steel or paper at 500+ yards at a friend's farm, but we generally only plink around on bluebird days. I guess if I ever needed to hold for wind, I'd just figure how many inches I needed to hold left or right and move that far on a deer's hide.
That makes sense. I grew up hunting the same way. Thanks for the response
 
Not sure I get the nuance of those two things. Why do I need a different O-ring on the elevation turret, and what’s a Ranger band?

Hard-use owners of the Maven have been turning away because the elevation turret spins when the rifle is being transported or carried. @Shortschaf discovered a larger o-ring that stiffens it up enough to restore trust.

The parallax knob is too stiff. A ranger band provides enough purchase to make turning it satisfactory. It's a cheap rubber band similar to what you would see on a lobster that's for sale.

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Hard-use owners of the Maven have been turning away because the elevation turret spins when the rifle is being transported or carried. @Shortschaf discovered a larger o-ring that stiffens it up enough to restore trust.

The parallax knob is too stiff. A ranger band provides enough purchase to make turning it satisfactory. It's a cheap rubber band similar to what you would see on a lobster that's for sale.

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You kinda missed the point.

Been hunting and shooting for 45+ yrs. Never seen a Mavin scope.

Did have a Leica that coulda used a rubber band to hold the dial. Why the hell do they make a dial that needs a rubber band?

Back to what is a Mavin?
 
You kinda missed the point.

Been hunting and shooting for 45+ yrs. Never seen a Mavin scope.

Did have a Leica that coulda used a rubber band to hold the dial. Why the hell do they make a dial that needs a rubber band?

Back to what is a Mavin?
 
You kinda missed the point.

Been hunting and shooting for 45+ yrs. Never seen a Mavin scope.

Did have a Leica that coulda used a rubber band to hold the dial. Why the hell do they make a dial that needs a rubber band?

Back to what is a Mavin?
Shucks, if you think Maven is obscure, wait until you hear who makes the S2H scope!😁
 
Yeah. Forget about the Mavens.

I was just agreeing with @philcox that it will be kinda silly for us to drop all our current scopes like their hot and then added some sidebar about it since the RS1.2 is not such a black sheep anymore with the improvements.

But drop them we will.

Pun intended.
 
Yeah. Forget about the Mavens.

I was just agreeing with @philcox that it will be kinda silly for us to drop all our current scopes like their hot and then added some sidebar about it since the RS1.2 is not such a black sheep anymore with the improvements.

But drop them we will.

Pun intended.

I agree with that to an extent. And the RS1.2 is a good scope. However, for me- I was clear from the beginning that the appeal to the RS1.2 was an available, relatively durable, FFP, mil/mil scope with a decent reticle; because the SWFA 3-9x hadn’t been available for almost two years. I would not then, nor now- choose the Maven over the SWFA 3-9x for hunting.
 
I agree with that to an extent. And the RS1.2 is a good scope. However, for me- I was clear from the beginning that the appeal to the RS1.2 was an available, relatively durable, FFP, mil/mil scope with a decent reticle; because the SWFA 3-9x hadn’t been available for almost two years. I would not then, nor now- choose the Maven over the SWFA 3-9x for hunting.
I mostly shot these 2 scopes in 2025 and into this year.

I got the Maven in 2024 and then picked up the SWFA when it restocked in February.

I like the solid reticle on the SWFA better than the center dot on the Maven.

I enjoy these aspects of the Maven over the SWFA though:

- the mag ring is easier to crank on and the nub on the mag ring points straight up at 6x for a quick visual reference.

- tool-less turret slipping

- I like the zero stop. My 223 zero stops are set at -0.2 for ADI 55gr Blitzking and zero is IMI 77gr Razor Core. My hunting rifle is set for one ammo at 0 and I can just crank on it until it stops and take a peek to make sure.

It's not a hunting thing given the range involved but I like having 10mils to crank around on the elevation knob with the Maven. I don't like having to go up 5 and then start counting again with the SWFA and then track that all back to zero after the shot.

I'm looking forward to your new scope. I got to play with the THLR reticle for a couple days on a ZP5 before I sent it back and your tidied up version of that reticle looks great. It's going to be sweet.
 
With all the interest in the "Would you buy this scope" thread, thought I would help consolidate interest.

Specs as I understand it today for the S2H rifle scope:
3-18x44 30mm tube made by LOW
25 oz, 12.5" long
FFP
Simplified THLR reticle with illuminated center dot (button push)
Low turrets with 29 mils available, 10 mils per rotation, Zero stop on elevation
Capped windage
Initial offering price = $999


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With all the interest in the "Would you buy this scope" thread, thought I would help consolidate interest.

Specs as I understand it today for the S2H rifle scope:
3-18x44 30mm tube made by LOW
25 oz, 12.5" long
FFP
Simplified THLR reticle with illuminated center dot (button push)
Low turrets with 29 mils available, 10 mils per rotation, Zero stop on elevation
Capped windage
Initial offering price = $999


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Yep one on the 3-18.

If the 2-8 happens likely 3 at least 2
 
I mostly shot these 2 scopes in 2025 and into this year.

I got the Maven in 2024 and then picked up the SWFA when it restocked in February.

I like the solid reticle on the SWFA better than the center dot on the Maven.

I enjoy these aspects of the Maven over the SWFA though:

- the mag ring is easier to crank on and the nub on the mag ring points straight up at 6x for a quick visual reference.

- tool-less turret slipping

- I like the zero stop. My 223 zero stops are set at -0.2 for ADI 55gr Blitzking and zero is IMI 77gr Razor Core. My hunting rifle is set for one ammo at 0 and I can just crank on it until it stops and take a peek to make sure.

It's not a hunting thing given the range involved but I like having 10mils to crank around on the elevation knob with the Maven. I don't like having to go up 5 and then start counting again with the SWFA and then track that all back to zero after the shot.

I'm looking forward to your new scope. I got to play with the THLR reticle for a couple days on a ZP5 before I sent it back and your tidied up version of that reticle looks great. It's going to be sweet.


I understand all of that. I agree with it all too.
 
Just saw this thread. Slummed my way through a 6 page discussion on Mils or MOA looking for info. Didn't find much. Have 10 pages left.

Could someone tell me when these will be available and are there pics of them yet?

FFP Mils btw.
 
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