Rutted elk hide thickness

[mtnbound]

Yes, that was one of the many ridiculous things that expert said. After listening to that podcast, I now feel I can't hunt with archery equipment anymore because my arrow is just gonna bounce off, so I'm looking to build a 408 Chey Tac, and hopefully, it will be enough to kill these super tough super thick bull elk that this DA talks about.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I mean really there no way of knowing.

You can’t kill the exact same animal twice in different seasons.

It could simply be the particular animal had certain traits that leads to thicker or thinner skin.

You don’t know if that animal had thinner skin a month before or if it would thin out again.

You only know what it is at that time.

He may of had thick skin his whole like.
Maybe he got made fun of a lot

 

[West2East]

Probably like most guys, I've skinned bulls from September to mid-Nov and I've never noticed variances in hide thickness. Obviously, on a single animal, the thickness of the hide varies but I have not noticed a distinct correlation to the time of year and the thickness of the hide on an animal.
If that makes sense

 

[TheTone]

Which expert podcaster said this silly thing?

 

[BBob]

Which expert podcaster said this silly thing?

Form struck someone’s nerve

@Formidilosus struck JvB’s “Authority” nerve with his discussions related to smaller cartridges on the Hunt Backcountry Podcast. JvB dogs on the Hunt Backcountry Podcast’s discussions with Form. I am willing to bet he hasn’t personally reached out to Steve and Mark to discuss their results on...

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[Beendare]

Definitely thicker hide in the neck region of a bull elk vs cow....but I think it's year round

 

[BRTreedogs]

Jvb is a man of science.


Pfffft

 

[butcherboy]

Not that I’ve noticed. Been skinning tons of elk every year for 3 decades. Neck thickness is the same in September vs mid November. One difference is thickness and length of hair but that’s due to fall and winter differences. A bigger more mature bull will have a thicker hide compared to a young bull.

 

[HighUintas]

We're mostly concerned about the hide covering the vitals, right? And, that dreaded paunch just in case you need to sneak a 30-378 in on a hard quartering shot for the hunt if a lifetime.....

I seriously doubt there'd be much difference at all in the hide over the shoulder between a summer, September, and November bull other than hair.

 

[hereinaz]

Yeah, JVB. He is a storyteller and entertainer, and milks it. It just made me curious if it was a thing guys noticed.

It’s funny how his conversations go… the animals die in the same amount of time, but a small caliber didn’t kill quick and a big caliber, it shows how tough the animal is tough. He just assumes a fact not in evidence about what kills.

 

[InkedElkSlayer]

Yeah, JVB. He is a storyteller and entertainer, and milks it. It just made me curious if it was a thing guys noticed.

It’s funny how his conversations go… the animals die in the same amount of time, but a small caliber didn’t kill quick and a big caliber, it shows how tough the animal is tough. He just assumes a fact not in evidence about what kills.

Okay. So I gotta ask, and I’m serious. Who’s JVB? I know who some of the Insta-fags are (not that there’s anything wrong with it), but I have no idea who you guys are referencing.

 

[BBob]

Who’s JVB?

Form struck someone’s nerve

@Formidilosus struck JvB’s “Authority” nerve with his discussions related to smaller cartridges on the Hunt Backcountry Podcast. JvB dogs on the Hunt Backcountry Podcast’s discussions with Form. I am willing to bet he hasn’t personally reached out to Steve and Mark to discuss their results on...

rokslide.com

 

[nphunter]

I’ve killed bulls from the last of Aug until late Nov and every mature bull I’ve skinned has been similar and had think skin. Every spike I’ve seen killed and helped with have also been pretty thin skinned from Aug to Nov, IMO it’s has way more to do with age than anything else.

I’m not sure how a person can claim the rut has anything to do with it unless they sampled the same deer before and after rut. I’ve never noticed a whitetail or mule deer having thick skin at all, I have noticed them being easier to break down when it’s 70deg than when it’s 20deg.

 

[hibernation]

I do some amateur hide tanning - buckskin, veg tan leather, some furs - and there's definitely a difference in thickness from males to females, and younger to older animals.

I've heard some experienced tanners say that hide thickness varies seasonally for deer/elk along with the change in their coat: thinner skin in winter under the heavy, hollow winter coat, thicker skin in summer under the thinner, coarser summer coat. All my deer and elk hides come from fall hunting seasons so I can't really say from my own experience.