Rifle scopes you'd love to see Form test

[prm]

Not much you couldn't do with that reticle. Good tool. I wouldn't mind if the whole top vertical bar was gone, but that's a minor point.

 

[SDHNTR]

I really like that reticle too!

 

[BRTreedogs]

No dots for me. They cover up to much of the target at long distance.
Short line, tall line

 

[JCMCUBIC]

Not much you couldn't do with that reticle. Good tool. I wouldn't mind if the whole top vertical bar was gone, but that's a minor point.

Over the past couple of years I've changed to prefer 4 evenly spaced posts. The main reason is bracketing the target in low light (distance will be limited for me). In an open area with a non-broken background it's not a problem to do it with 3 posts. In areas with a broken background 4 can be helpful. Like you said, minor point, I just prefer 4.

 

[dirtytough]

I made a really long winded post but decided to keep this short and sweet. One of the main reasons Rokslide started was because of a scope review I read in a hunting magazine that was complete BS. I truly believe the drop test will change how scope companies make LR scopes. If you've been a RS member for awhile you will remember the backpack cliff test. I know that changed how some backpacking companies made frames because they told me so.

Right now on my rifles I am using two NX8 4-32, NXS 4.5-22 and two X5s. I have several other scopes but these are what I primary use for hunting. I would take any of these on a BC hunt.

IMO the companies above don't listen to the LR hunting community. That is why I think it's critical we keep talking to companies like Maven. They do listen and they can make the perfect LR Hunting scope or at least one that fills 90% of our needs.

Something else I wanted to address. I was sent a few links from other forums saying that I'm a NF shill. I've never gotten one scope from NF directly. I have paid for all of them. Lots of other optics companies pay RS for advertising NF is not one of them. So one could say its counter productive for me to use NF..... just saying!

Scopes I would like to see tested

Kahles 3.5-18
MK5 3.6-18 we have one on the way
Any ZCO
RS.5 retested
Riton 3-18
NF NX8 2.5-20


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Thanks for the explanation/response. Are you going to test/have tested an X5? One of mine had to be sent in because the windage quit adjusting properly. I didn't drop it that I know of. And I wasn't rough with it. (everyone is typing how rough they are with scopes now after these tests started)

 

[Scottyboy]

Admittedly I didn’t go through all the pages, but I’d love to see a X5 take the test. Maybe @Ryan Avery will volunteer his

 

[SDHNTR]

Test the X5! Test the X5!

 

[dirtytough]

I can send an X5 that way if Ryan would rather not use his.

 

[gelton]

I made a really long winded post but decided to keep this short and sweet. One of the main reasons Rokslide started was because of a scope review I read in a hunting magazine that was complete BS. I truly believe the drop test will change how scope companies make LR scopes. If you've been a RS member for awhile you will remember the backpack cliff test. I know that changed how some backpacking companies made frames because they told me so.

Right now on my rifles I am using two NX8 4-32, NXS 4.5-22 and two X5s. I have several other scopes but these are what I primary use for hunting. I would take any of these on a BC hunt.

IMO the companies above don't listen to the LR hunting community. That is why I think it's critical we keep talking to companies like Maven. They do listen and they can make the perfect LR Hunting scope or at least one that fills 90% of our needs.

Something else I wanted to address. I was sent a few links from other forums saying that I'm a NF shill. I've never gotten one scope from NF directly. I have paid for all of them. Lots of other optics companies pay RS for advertising NF is not one of them. So one could say its counter productive for me to use NF..... just saying!

Scopes I would like to see tested

Kahles 3.5-18
MK5 3.6-18 we have one on the way
Any ZCO
RS.5 retested
Riton 3-18
NF NX8 2.5-20


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Don't forget the @lukemoffat ladder test thread, not sure why that one got deleted but it was an encyclopedia of real-world experience with scopes and their reliable/unreliable tracking...@form is great but I still haven't seen as much first-hand data that that thread had in it. Probably a bit outdated by now but was eye-opening nonetheless.

 

[MuleyFever]

Email or call the manufacturers who interest you and have them watch one of those videos. Then ask them what their thoughts are, which scopes of theirs will pass, and what their position would be on damage from such testing or repair/replace/refund on zero loss.

Might gain oodles of insight.

Why not just name the companies you asked? Why would anyone feel the need to protect a companies name?

 

[sndmn11]

Why not just name the companies you asked? Why would anyone feel the need to protect a companies name?

Some people might get upset if I did that.

 

[MuleyFever]

Some people might get upset if I did that.

Dont you think these test are upsetting some people. Seriously, why do people try to protect companies that do not deliver? As a group you hear so much about how hunters want this or that and then when a company doesnt deliver people protect the companies. How are hunters going to get the products we want if the truth keeps getting swept under the rug?

 

[sndmn11]

Dont you think these test are upsetting some people. Seriously, why do people try to protect companies that do not deliver? As a group you hear so much about how hunters want this or that and then when a company doesnt deliver people protect the companies. How are hunters going to get the products we want if the truth keeps getting swept under the rug?

My answer to that would be to ask how you are contributing to getting hunters what they want by testing products or talking to manufacturers? You presumably have the internet, a phone, email, there is nothing stopping you.

I don't have any reason to throw shade at a brand because they weren't keen on the idea of me throwing their products around.

 

[BRTreedogs]

Dont you think these test are upsetting some people. Seriously, why do people try to protect companies that do not deliver? As a group you hear so much about how hunters want this or that and then when a company doesnt deliver people protect the companies. How are hunters going to get the products we want if the truth keeps getting swept under the rug?

I think you'd be really surprised at the hate these testers get in PM. Idk for a fact but little tings I read and hear in different podcasts. I think they get blasted with multitudes of questions daily.

And I bet these testers get blasted behind the scenes. Thats why they are making it as standardized, full proof and transparent as possible. Lots money out there and people don't want to hear it. They can't accept they made a bad choice.
I know id never put myself out there like these guys.

 

[MuleyFever]

My answer to that would be to ask how you are contributing to getting hunters what they want by testing products or talking to manufacturers? You presumably have the internet, a phone, email, there is nothing stopping you.

I don't have any reason to throw shade at a brand because they weren't keen on the idea of me throwing their products around.

I contribute by not trying to protect companies when I have information that may help others. Guess Im just not scared to tell the truth when I have it.

 

[sndmn11]

I contribute by not trying to protect companies when I have information that may help others. Guess Im just not scared to tell the truth when I have it.

It is your choice on whether or not you have the same information. Are you scared to learn it first hand?

 

[ljalberta]

I think part of what Muley Fever is saying is we’re on all forums to gain information and share information and learn. I would be very interested in which companies had what to say as well.

Sndmn11, you’ve shared a ton of information with us through these tests and I super appreciate it. It gives me insight into scopes. Similarly, I for one would also appreciate if you shared the different manufacturers responses to your emails, it is simply providing more information about different manufacturers. How each person uses that information, if at all, is up to the end person. I have shared both good and bad experiences and responses with different manufacturers because it can help inform decisions, and I appreciate when others do the same.

That being said, if you keep it to yourself, that’s your choice, and I’ll keep enjoying and appreciating the drop testing contributions that you do make here.

 

[Formidilosus]

A forum member sent Ryan these three scopes to be evaluated.







The Trijicon is a current scope, in MOA. The Bushnell is no longer made, however is one of the scopes commonly suggested by a lot of people, and they are still available. The Vortex PST is no longer made, however is an example of a scope that before the Gen 2 PST was pushed by a lot of people as a good sub $700 scope.

 

[roosiebull]

Can we get some sort of sticker made? "Form drop test approved" or "Rokslide approved" similiar to Nightforce quality check stickers??

or an erectoral dysfunction sticker for all of the ones that don't pass

 

[sndmn11]

I think part of what Muley Fever is saying is we’re on all forums to gain information and share information and learn. I would be very interested in which companies had what to say as well.

Sndmn11, you’ve shared a ton of information with us through these tests and I super appreciate it. It gives me insight into scopes. Similarly, I for one would also appreciate if you shared the different manufacturers responses to your emails, it is simply providing more information about different manufacturers. How each person uses that information, if at all, is up to the end person. I have shared both good and bad experiences and responses with different manufacturers because it can help inform decisions, and I appreciate when others do the same.

That being said, if you keep it to yourself, that’s your choice, and I’ll keep enjoying and appreciating the drop testing contributions that you do make here.

I surely can see his perspective and what you have written as well.

My perspective is that I have seen, especially with the lightweight razor hunter scope thread, some folks make demands when "their" brand isn't the golden child. I think it might be this thread or another related one where Ryan says some people have called him a Nightforce fanboy or shill or something a long those lines. I don't want to have to deal with either. I am pretty sure if I named manufacturers, there would be some sort of rebuttal and probably some grouchiness and demands to produce communication documentation etc., or claims of bias or not talking to the right person or whatever. I'm not down with that and would rather put my effort into relaying positive communication with manufacturers about this stuff.

I can tell you Nightforce, Maven, Grayboe, Hawkins, and Bell&Carlson have all been supportive. The companies who haven't took less than 5min each of effort to reach out to. I believe part of this whole thing is to encourage people to test their equipment rather than just believe what they are told. I think the same approach in learning the thoughts of scope manufacturers is sound as well. If that information is important enough to someone they can surely reach out to the manufacturer of their own interest and have first hand communication, then make their own choice in what to do with what they learned. There is nothing wrong with being a curious consumer and empowering yourself by asking manufacturers hard questions.