Reticle Canted Despite Level Scope Body

[HairyScandinavian]

Those little bubble levels have a screw on both sides and a gap, the reason for those is to calibrate and true the level. I have the same one, if I turn it around backwards it reads differently. I'd adjust it to where it looks good to your eye and roll on, but I just hunt with my rifles I don't need to shoot a mouse at 1000 yards.

 

[wyosam]

3-4 inches.


Thats 3-4 inches in addition to whichever way I find to screw up a shot. I promise I dont need any help making a bad shot. I can do it all by myself.

There is always the possibility it it helps whatever bad juju we put into the shot, too.


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[Fowl Play]

I got right at or just over 0.5°. @Marbles got 0.7°. For a standard 6.5 and 147gr ELD-M that equates to about 2.5 inches at 1,000 yards- or the thickness of the center reticle for lots/most scopes. Or, less than 0.5 MPH wind. No one is missing a shot in the field due to that amount of can’t.

I 100% agree with you that no one is missing due to this in the field. Was just saying that 3-4” was “nowhere close” and others started acting like 2-3 degrees is no big deal at 1000. When 3” is actually pretty darn close to what this is and 2-3 degrees at 1000 is larger than the vitals of a deer. I agree with your sentiment though of not worrying about the minutia and just go practice.

 

[Formidilosus]

I 100% agree with you that no one is missing due to this in the field. Was just saying that 3-4” was “nowhere close” and others started acting like 2-3 degrees is no big deal at 1000. When 3” is actually pretty darn close to what this is and 2-3 degrees at 1000 is larger than the vitals of a deer. I agree with your sentiment though of not worrying about the minutia and just go practice.

Got you. 2-3° is an issue at long range.

 

[RockAndSage]

I got right at or just over 0.5°. @Marbles got 0.7°. For a standard 6.5 and 147gr ELD-M that equates to about 2.5 inches at 1,000 yards- or the thickness of the center reticle for lots/most scopes. Or, less than 0.5 MPH wind. No one is missing a shot in the field due to that amount of can’t.

The math on all of this is both fascinating and humbling. Single biggest area of shooting interest I've never put the time into learning. How deep do you go into all of this at S2H?

 

[plux001]

As several have mentioned, it's a mistake to level the scope just off of the turret cap. Some caps are true level to the scope, and some are not. It has to do with how the cap threads are cut. You are much better off leveling to the turret with the cap removed....IF you can. (On some scopes you cannot). For what it's worth, your scope doesn't look level, but it could be the angle of the pic. If you verify that the reticle is indeed off, I would insist that Trijicon make it right. It does not matter that it "doesn't make a difference". It's in your head, and once there you will doubt every shot. Get it fixed.
Paul

 

[IAm_Not_Lost]

Level your rifle ( generally off the scope bases/rail) and then just line the scope reticle up with a plum bob and tighten to proper torque. Double check visually that everything looks good. Done.

My gut instinct based on your photo is that your spirit level just isn’t precise enough, and too many tolerances are stacking up using your method.

 

[Castle Rock]

Unless my math is off, for a 6.5 you need about 305” of elevation adjustment for 1,000 yards. A 1 degree cant over that amount of travel would instead inflict 5.3” of windage instead.

So… can be a pretty big thing for 1000. His particular cant seems to be about a degree. So not horrible.

I guess not many here shoot long range if they think 4 or 5 inches at 1000 is significant, wind shifts, coriolis and spin drift are all trying to spoil your day.

 

[Fowl Play]

The math on all of this is both fascinating and humbling. Single biggest area of shooting interest I've never put the time into learning. How deep do you go into all of this at S2H?

So this part is just trigonometry. Just going to use some inputs from my rifle for ease (this was 6.5, 143 eldx, 6,000ft, etc — from Hornady app). I need roughly 8.5 mils at 1000 yards for these specific inputs. At 1,000 that equates to 305 in. Let’s say we want to solve for 1 degree. Tangent (1°) = X / 305”. Solving for X = 5.3”

 

[Weldor]

Those little bubble levels have a screw on both sides and a gap, the reason for those is to calibrate and true the level. I have the same one, if I turn it around backwards it reads differently. I'd adjust it to where it looks good to your eye and roll on, but I just hunt with my rifles I don't need to shoot a mouse at 1000 yards.

Now that sounds like fun if we could see a mouse at a grand.

 

[HuntHarder]

Why are some guys talking about how the reticle being canted isn't wrong? Why not just teach him how to mount his scope properly? Instead some want to prove how inconsequential it is. Why not just mount it level, instead of preaching how a guy isn't accurate enough to see it's consequences.

 

[Formidilosus]

The math on all of this is both fascinating and humbling. Single biggest area of shooting interest I've never put the time into learning. How deep do you go into all of this at S2H?

As deep as the students can, and want to go. S2H is about removing the fluff and nonsense and conditioning a person to do what is required to hit in the field repeatedly. It is unlike any other “hunting/shooting” course.