Residential Insta Hot Water Heater

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I currently have a 50 gallon gas water heater and my wife complains about the water getting cold before the jacuzzi tub fills up. The water that does come out is almost scalding, so i don't want to turn it up any higher. Does anyone have an insta-hot water heater that you would/wouldn't recommend? Gas or electric? Worst case scenario if we don't find something is replace it with twin 40's or something bigger than we currently have. TIA
 
Had a NG Rinnai 11.5 gpm in my home since '19 with the recirculation pump..thats really the only way to get instant hot water. There is an app so you can program the pump so it's not running all the time. When it's not running you still have to "wait" for the water to get hot.

Have a Rinnai propane 5.3 gpm on my cabin works great, my well water is about 50 degrees so you have to let run for minute to get hot then you have all the hot water you gas can provide.

If you go tankless don't go electric.
 
Thanks, we currently have to wait for the hot water from the tank, so a tankless would probably be similar. Insta hot may have been the wrong terminology for me to use in the subject line. I will talk to my plumber about the makes you've recommended and will be a little more educated.
 
You could add a booster valve to the 50. You'll notice a difference, but it still may not be enough to fill a big tub. You crank up the heater temp and then trickle cold water back into the supply with the valve.

There's a chatter on the street about tandem heaters not working as logic would dictate having to do with how water passes through them. Hard to to say, but tandem arrangement is uncommon, so who really knows. It's more common to go for a 100 gallon commercial heater over 2 50s, or if you have 2 50s, they are in different parts of the home.

If you go for instant, gas is the way even if you didn't already have it and Rinnai and Navien are both good, but Rinnai don't have service calls unless the power goes out when it's really cold and then they freeze. We've had to swap parts in some Naviens but its few and far between.
 
You have 1-2 more options you may not have considered.

First, you could turn up your main tank temp but install a thermostatic mixing valve. This lets you set your tank to, say, 120 but keeps the final output temp at a safe level. These are really easy to DIY if you're handy, or cheap to have a plumber do, and can make a tank feel 20-30% larger for <$200 (not counting labor). This is such a popular option that there is literally a product called "Tank Booster Pro" that's not much more than a mixer and some installation goodies:


These things can make an existing 50-gal "feel like" a 60-70-gal and IMO they actually increase safety for a water heater because if there's any malfunction at all (user programming error, failed thermostat, etc) you've covered that angle as well.

You can also add a "point of use" water heater at/near the tub itself. These are kind of crappy if they're the only water heater on the line - folks building tiny homes and cabins often try to use them because they're so cheap, and are disappointed because raising a cold supply from, say, 50F to 100F still takes a LOT more energy than those folks realize (the water is flowing, so you don't have the luxury of slowly heating it in-place).

However, if your only goal is to raise 100-105F hot-supply water to say 115-120F (scalding, but hear me out), that takes a lot less energy, low enough that if you have so much as a 20A circuit somewhere to tap you may not need much for the install. Now here's the thing - you install a thermostatic mixing valve here as well. That eliminates the scald risk and drops the output to your tub-temp goal, but once again needs only 75% (depends on your settings) as much hot water input. With both tricks together you might even be able to fill that tub with somebody else enjoying a hot shower or doing dishes.

These tricks do have downsides - they take some space to install, you can still run out of hot water if you push it hard, and if you started out too cold (a guest took a really long shower before you used the tub) you still have recovery time to deal with. But one final benefit is the cost - in addition to being simple, you also aren't keeping another 40+ gallons of water hot all the time. Over the lifetime of the units that'll pay off on your energy bill, too.

One final trick if you want to go "ham" on this - some luxury homes will have very small water heaters at/near a tub like this, just to serve the tub. They're very small - 15 gallons is common - and do take some space. But they will give you that same boost as a POU unit, while taking less energy to achieve the same output, so you're still getting that 25% or so "capacity boost." Since they're so small, if you have a closet near the tub they're easy to stuff into that kind of area without losing much actual closet space, and very cheap. Vevor has one (no idea on its quality) listed at $170 and 110V/1600W so you just need a 20A circuit, which is a lot easier to have-already/retrofit in many cases than a 240V feed for something bigger...
 
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